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The rich are taxed several times
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again, he paid TENS OF MILLIONS of dollars in tax...
So what, it's still a FAR lower percentage of his income than working people pay. Why do you feel it's fair for him to pay so much less than everyone else?


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but that's not enough for you socialists who simply want to take from the rich and GIVE to the poor
Except that I've never said any such thing. Again, you are channeling Rush Limbaugh who has taught you that everyone who doesn't check every box on the list wears a black hat.

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There you go again with "The rich are evil" line...
Get back to me after you take a reading comprehension class. I have yet to see any person in this bazallion post thread (except you) write any such thing.

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The 'other' Rice, and Powell was still black, even if he was a lib. at heart... the 'point' you missed, your racist republicans don't seem to have a problem with people of whatever color... even appointing them to the highest levels of gov't.

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Really, how so?

So what, it's still a FAR lower percentage of his income than working people pay. Why do you feel it's fair for him to pay so much less than everyone else?

Except that I've never said any such thing. Again, you are channeling Rush Limbaugh who has taught you that everyone who doesn't check every box on the list wears a black hat.

Get back to me after you take a reading comprehension class. I have yet to see any person in this bazallion post thread (except you) write any such thing.
Since YOU seem to have such a problem with Romney's money I properly infered that you have a problem with the rich... afterall, what's your complaint? Romeny paid his legal taxes... and yet you demonize HIM... how about being honest and demonize the tax code, and leave Romney out of it? Honesty isn't your cup of tea either.

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Since YOU seem to have such a problem with Romney's money
I have a problem with Romney's favorable tax treatment. I'm not too crazy about laws that permit vulture capatalism either. Neither is a knock on Romney. He just took advantage of the rules the elite had bought for him. The point is to correct such inequities. He ain't the guy that's gonna do that.

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You have never done anything except *assume* everyone who doesn't kiss Rush's butt is a black hatter.

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I have a problem with Romney's favorable tax treatment. I'm not too crazy about laws that permit vulture capatalism either. Neither is a knock on Romney. He just took advantage of the rules the elite had bought for him. The point is to correct such inequities. He ain't the guy that's gonna do that.

You have never done anything except *assume* everyone who doesn't kiss Rush's butt is a black hatter.
You're right about something, the 'good guys vs. the bad guys', and you're on the wrong side of that equation... Obama and you Obama supporting liberals are enemies to this country, that's clear, your distain for The Constitution is clear... just because you can point to a long history of republicans who are 'also' enemies of this country doesn't change the fact that we should try to return to Constitutional principles and "Obama ain't the guy that's gonna do that".

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You're right about something, the 'good guys vs. the bad guys'
You're making progress.

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Here is why...

Here is a VERY interesting article on why the House Republican's are unable to negotiate effectively... they have a formidable opponent who KNOWS what he is doing. It's an interesting read that any conservative should make certain they understand what is going on in the negotiations...
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100267897

The bottom line is that if Boehner doesn't compromise NOW, he will destroy the ability to re-elect ANY republican's in the future. The line in the sand was drawn back when the tax cuts were proposed. The current administration isn't raising ANY taxes AT ALL. Rather, the current republican constituents are refusing a current "offer" of the Obama administration to compromise. Like it or not Obama's plan is actually a "compromise offer" that allows the majority of the public to continue enjoying the "artificial" tax cuts that were put in place by a republican president. The only thing that has been stripped out of that "compromise" are the benefits for the rich. By rich, I mean those making over $250K/year which is less than 5% of the country and OBVIOUSLY that is a significant minority that Boehner is (being paid) to protect perhaps? What right does he have to "pretend" that the REST of us republicans (e.g. All of us who make less than $250K/year) support him. We obviously do not.

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Here is a VERY interesting article on why the House Republican's are unable to negotiate effectively... they have a formidable opponent who KNOWS what he is doing. It's an interesting read that any conservative should make certain they understand what is going on in the negotiations...
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100267897

The bottom line is that if Boehner doesn't compromise NOW, he will destroy the ability to re-elect ANY republican's in the future. The line in the sand was drawn back when the tax cuts were proposed. The current administration isn't raising ANY taxes AT ALL. Rather, the current republican constituents are refusing a current "offer" of the Obama administration to compromise. Like it or not Obama's plan is actually a "compromise offer" that allows the majority of the public to continue enjoying the "artificial" tax cuts that were put in place by a republican president. The only thing that has been stripped out of that "compromise" are the benefits for the rich. By rich, I mean those making over $250K/year which is less than 5% of the country and OBVIOUSLY that is a significant minority that Boehner is (being paid) to protect perhaps? What right does he have to "pretend" that the REST of us republicans (e.g. All of us who make less than $250K/year) support him. We obviously do not.
That Koolaid is very powerful, making otherwise reasonable people blind and stupid...

There's a pretty simple republican position on all this.. they realize that raising taxes without cuts in SPENDING is not a real solution... they'd like a REAL solution, Obama simply wants to send a message that he can stick it to the evil rich.

That's lost on you?

You liberals can't help but see Obama as the all powerful wizard... you need to pull back that curtain.

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That Koolaid is very powerful, making otherwise reasonable people blind and stupid...

There's a pretty simple republican position on all this.. they realize that raising taxes without cuts in SPENDING is not a real solution... they'd like a REAL solution, Obama simply wants to send a message that he can stick it to the evil rich.

That's lost on you?

You liberals can't help but see Obama as the all powerful wizard... you need to pull back that curtain.
So Lance, here's a compromise on cutting spending, without raising taxes.
How about if the TEA party welfare states start paying their fair share. As a fellow Californian, I'm sure you're aware that many of the red states get way more money back from Wash. than they send. Our state, California, only gets $.78 back for every dollar we send, Conn.; .69, New York; .79, Colorado; .81, and Mass.; .82

On the other side, the red states are a different story. New Mexico; $2.03, Miss.; $2.02, La.; $1.75, Alaska; $1.84,
Kentucky, (Mitch McConnel's state); $1.51, Alabama; $1.53, Arkansas; $1.41.
If the tea bagger congressmembers are serious about cutting spending, they should start at home.
Lance, you and I can not afford to carry these modern "welfare queens" anymore.
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There's a pretty simple republican position on all this.. they realize that raising taxes without cuts in SPENDING is not a real solution... they'd like a REAL solution, Obama simply wants to send a message that he can stick it to the evil rich.

That's lost on you?
Lance, Lance, lance... you SOOO fawny! There IS GOING to be a return to pre-Bush tax rates AT THE VERY LEAST! Spending cuts come right along WITH those changes. Is that lost on YOU?

Unfortunately for you, I am not a liberal. Rather I am a republican who voted for the best chance we have to get things back under control. I am pragmatic where as you appear to be a Solipsist & are "tilting windmills" Sir.

Pragmatism - "The idea that inquiry depends on real doubt, not mere verbal or hyperbolic doubt and said, in order to understand a conception in a fruitful way, "Consider the practical effects of the objects of your conception. Then, your conception of those effects is the whole of your conception of the object" which he later called the pragmatic maxim. It equates any conception of an object to a conception of that object's effects to a general extent of the effects' conceivable implications for informed practice. It is the heart of his pragmatism as a method of experimental mental reflection arriving at conceptions in terms of conceivable confirmatory and dis-confirmatory circumstances"

Solipsism - "Philosophy students often tell a joke, that there is a solipsist on campus that is going around trying to bring everyone else around to his point of view. The joke contains another logical problem with solipsism, which is, if a solipsist argues for his position, who is he talking to? Logic by definition only exists by virtue of agreement, so by using logic the solipsist defeats his own argument."

PS - Since I am worth over a million $'s, doesn't that make me a "rich" person "sticking it to myself"? The point that is being made is that people making a million A YEAR can "afford" to have their taxes returned to the original state prior to the artificial Bush subsidies in the form of tax cuts for the rich (and everybody else) were passed. Due to my income level, I can EASILY absorb the $2,200 in additional taxes the restoration of the original taxes would induce. If you are a "honorable" republican, you too SHOULD be willing to bare your share. Are you REALLY saying that you can't afford an additional $2,200 on a $100K+/yearly income?

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