Harley well I still enter thier competitions, I gotta take one of the new 4 valve tourers for a blat in a few weeks.
I haven't been keeping up with Harley since I switched to Victory 7 years ago but I did catch something on one of the blogs about the M-8 being hard to start. Not sure what that's all about.
One of the big things that drew a lot of people to Victory what the value. A really good, nearly bullet proof bike, at a decent price.
I can't speak to the Indian's engine or if it's as good as the Vic Freedom engine but the prices are higher than Harley's so apparently those of us who found Victory a good value are not Indian's target market.
I think they are in for a rude awakening, as is Harley, when they find out less and less people are not only unwilling to shell out that kind of coin for a "motorcycle" but far less of those who can afford it have no interest in bikes anyway and if they do; it will be something like a BMW or Motus; possibly a Ducati or Moto-Guzzi.
I wish Harley and Indian well though. I think their future sales lie overseas where people are finally earning real money and can afford a status symbol like a Harley or Indian. Think China and India. What sells here may not sell there though which is why they both build smaller bikes now.
I still wish Polaris had simply found a buyer for Victory. Someone else with deep pockets who could see the long term potential of these fantastic bikes. Clearly Victory was not enough competition to worry about when they closed it down. Why not sell it and get some of that investment money back. I'm sure the share holders would like that. The Polaris business model is strange. They are not bike people, that are not snowmobile people, they are simply a collection of designers, machinists, engineers, and business people who through some crazy blast of inspiration designed an amazing engine. Not perfect; but still one of the best in class out there. Then all of sudden after acquiring Indian; Victory became the black sheep 3rd cousin Polaris didn't want to talk about. Damn shame.
If Polaris wanted to keep their Victory buyers, the ones who bought them new from a dealership, they would be offering them excellent deals on a trade in for them to buy an Indian but they aren't so that tells the true story. I guess these days an excellent deal on a 2013 XC trade-in with 10k miles would be $10k.