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Road Rage: Motorcyclist Kicks Sedan, Sparks Crash

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#8 ·
i get pissed off on the raod.. very pissed off. but i know my limitations on a motorcycle. I dont have a death wish... yet
 
#4 ·
There is a longer video. not just the clip you saw on the news. Biker was lane splitting and car tried to stop him and cut him off. That being said kicking the car was not a good idea. The old used spark plug in your pocket it a safer option but then you open yourself up to charges. Its a shame that another innocent driver was harmed in this incident. The biker will probably get the blame as that's how it usually falls.
 
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I saw this on the morning national news. I had the most relaxed, leisurely, trouble-free ride into work in a very long time. :)
 
#6 ·
People are crazy!

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#7 ·
yea saw that. Biker was an idiot. period. IF ANYTHING wait until he stops THEN kick his ass. Now the biker is in deep do do. leaving the scene of an injury accident. To me it looks like the guy lost control of the car after the biker kicked it. but hard to tell. doesnt matter, the guy in the guy can say the kick scared him and he lost control of the car.
I have had cars try to stop me when i was going down the shoulder during a traffic back up. A cop saw him and gave him a ticket for reckless driving. How do i know this ? My friend was the cop. :)

i thought this was in California ?
 
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No way dude. Biker kicked the car, car swerved into the biker intentionally and lost control doing it.


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Maybe he did Brian. The biker should have backed off. He could have lost his life. Now, unless there is more to this video, the biker , if they catch him is going to get screwed for leaving the scene of an accident. By taking off he lost his credibility with the law.

They both were stupid and if they can prove the car tried to ram him, then it is attempted murder. There was another incident somewhere where this guy ran over a biker and his wife stopped at a light. they too had words and the car driver got charged with attempted murder. hell that might even be in California as well.

crazy.. just plain crazy
 
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Agreed about letting it get so far. Like I said, I hadn't had such a leisurely, relaxed ride on the highway in a long time after I saw that :)
 
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Lane splitting and road rage

I haven't seen the video but the only state I know where you can legally lane split is California. When I see it here in AZ I get angry but not enough to try and run somebody over. I once called Oro Valley PD to complain about an office lane splitting and was give this cock and bull story about checking tag's. I told the lady cop she just lied.
I have been watching a lot of road rage videos on utube. In my opinion, we have every right to yell, scream, call them bad names, show em the bird, etc but not to do any damage. AND if you have a wimpy horn buy a better one (Rice Rockets). One of the nice thing on my XC, the horn has some backbone, if u know what I mean. It actually sounds better than my Nissan beep beep. LMAO

While on the subject of riding why do alot of riders have to stop within 2/3 feet of somebody's bumper! Too my way of thinking stop at least 5/6 feet behind, that way if you get bumped from behind you might not get pushed into the vehicle in front of you. I know, I know if they are going that fast we are toast.
 
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True that.... A lot of people out there who just drive empty minded out there these days...

But I did manage to hit the back of a huge trailer, wet roads, low speed... a few months back, trailer is fine, not even a scratch.... My bike is still "down"
So that sums up the loose loose situation.....

Andre using TaPaTaLk
 
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I just spent three weeks in southern Europe where there are more motorcycles in traffic than you can imagine unless you've seen it. Not once did I see a problem of some a$$hole biker or jerkoff 4 wheel driver pulling something simply to be the Mr Important.

Nobody on cellphones. Nobody blocking splitters at stop lights. In fact nothing but cooperation on both sides with the advantage freely given to the two wheelers. There's a few reasons for that and it was a pleasure to see. For a change. There's no way that can happen here.
 
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There's no way that can happen here.
Nope. Everyone seems to have an axe to grind, gotta show how bad-ass they are, chip on their shoulder. It's a pleasant dream tho.
 
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Because, here, it seems to be a racing mindset. "How dare that biker get in front of me like that? Cheater!" Seriously, I think it's simple jealousy and angst.


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Well just not against bikers.. many times I will driving down the road and a sign says left lane closed ahead, merge right. Well I merge just before the left lane is closed. I have had people try to block me doing that.

Have to admit that biker did d a good joke b of not laughing no that bike down. I would look for a CHIP officer as suspect. Lol
 
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If I kicked every car that took my lane or did something stupid I'd either be dead or a serial killer.

This whole sequence of events was safely avoidable by the dude on the bike.

I'm carrying heat. I always assume the other guy is too.
I'm on a bike. Cars are big and heavy. I'll lose.

I'm not immune to road rage. But I try to tell myeself to ride away the better man - as long as you can still ride it.
 
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I hope to follow these rules -- I sure don't do it as well as I ought to, but this is what I hope to do:

Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Try to do what is honorable in everyone’s eyes.
If possible, on your part, live at peace with everyone.
Friends, do not avenge yourselves; instead, leave room for His wrath. For it is written: Vengeance belongs to Me; I will repay, says the Lord.
But
If your enemy is hungry, feed him.
If he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
For in so doing
you will be heaping fiery coals on his head.

Do not be conquered by evil, but conquer evil with good.
(Romans 12:17-21)

Now please don't get all offended that religion is being forced on anyone. Just consider what those few words say. Wouldn't that make a better world?
 
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I hope to follow these rules -- I sure don't do it as well as I ought to, but this is what I hope to do:

Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Try to do what is honorable in everyone’s eyes.
If possible, on your part, live at peace with everyone.
Friends, do not avenge yourselves; instead, leave room for His wrath. For it is written: Vengeance belongs to Me; I will repay, says the Lord.
But
If your enemy is hungry, feed him.
If he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
For in so doing
you will be heaping fiery coals on his head.

Do not be conquered by evil, but conquer evil with good.
(Romans 12:17-21)

Now please don't get all offended that religion is being forced on anyone. Just consider what those few words say. Wouldn't that make a better world?
Well said, and Buddhist live by these rules, peace and loving respect..... Most of them at least....

Andre using TaPaTaLk
 
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Religious or non-religious, the thoughts are the same.

What good does it to to 'get even' with someone that wrongs you on the road? Do you honestly think you're going to 'teach them a lesson'? If so, you're severely mistaken. Yep, people are going to wrong you. Chances are, you're going to wrong someone else too, even if it's unintentional. It's the nature of the beast.
 
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I have to say that picture looks way better than others I've seen.
 
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I've been aware of the "fluid dynamics" concept of traffic flow for a long time. I'm not sure about one person being able to influence it by slowing down when approaching a jam but I'm willing to keep it in mind and play with it. I'm really skeptical though because we all know what happens when you slow down the tiniest bit - some clown will jump into that space EVERY SINGLE TIME!! I'm more like the guy who'll stay in the merging lane as long as possible in stop & go traffic - especially on the bike - because I have the acceleration to snap right in there and 9 times out of 10 there's enough gap between cars that I can be gone before the cager even looks up from his text.
 
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The theories of traffic flow are just that. Theories. Engineered flows work on assembly lines where input and handling are under direct control but certainly not vehicle traffic where everyone is different in skills and attitude. Even assembly lines crash when something unexpected occurs. The author of the article regarding Seattle is offering an opinion without any consideration to reality or forethought.

As an example
 
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I kicked a car ONCE a long time ago.. going across the Bridge Tunnel from Hampton to Norfok.. I was in the left lane and this lady looked right at me and came over.. I thought at first she was just dodging something in the road.. but she kept coming and crowded me till I was all but against the concrete barrier w/ nowhere to go.. .we weren't going fast, maybe 25 or so.. I donkey-stomped the **** out of her car door.. she had the nerve to look shocked as I'm all but throwing sparks off the side of my bike against the wall. Bitch got back over into her lane tho.
 
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Most of my life I have driven motorcycles and often people have looked right through me.
I've talked to several afterwards and they honestly never saw me, so I have always been curious about why. This doesn't apply in every situation of course but it does in many.

The real problem is that people drive a lot and arrive at their destination uninjured mostly which leads to habituation.
They end up driving in a semi sleep state without realizing it and the primitive part of the brain scans incoming data both visual and audio for threats and wakes the reasoning part of the brain up in time to deal with it, mostly.
Very similar to hypnosis. The thinking part of their brain is elsewhere, not just the guy texting, most everyone is doing this to some extent while driving cars and light trucks.

The primitive brain can only react to actual threats and a motorcycle is not a threat to a person in an auto or truck. Because of this the primitive brain does not awaken the reasoning brain when the bike comes into view. This is why people see right through you. The exception is if their brain is in reasoning mode for some other reason and hasn't shifted back to auto yet when they look your way. But if they are in auto mode when they see you, the sensor that wakes them, (primitive brain) does not bring them to a full state of consciousness where they see you and recognize that you are there when they look your way. This sort of science is what is behind the governments push to autonomous cars which react to whatever they are programed to react to.

To put it in the most simple terms, if someone in a car sees you when you are riding a motorcycle it is most likely an accident that they do.

Headlight modulators work because flashing lights are used by the police and emergency vehicles who are often assisted by the police. The brain associates the police with emotional pain. Being ticketed is always a emotionally painful experience and registers as an actual threat.

People also see police motorcycles for the above reason. The wife had a HD police bike for 30yrs. The first years she owned it she removed the blue lights and rode it as it came, cop paint and all. Her helmet was the same one issued to most police. At that point she did a lot of long distance touring. She'd spent most of her trip passing long lines of cars that slowed down as soon as she came into sight thinking she was a cop. They had no problem seeing her from very far off. After a wreck she re-painted the bike so it no longer looked like a police bike from a distance and bought a different helmet and the problem stopped. This book talks about the cop bike effect.

Our sidecar bike produces the same results so far. The silhouette of a sidecar is very unusual and it causes their brain to snap their attention to us. This because the primitive brain also sees things that it doesn't recognize as threats and wakes the conscious brain for a final decision. People that you can tell are about to pull out in front of you, see you and wave instead. This wouldn't work if sidecars were everywhere. But so far it seems to work mostly.

Our latest sidecar bike came with a headlight modulator and people see it farther off and at higher speeds, especially when the modulator is turned to the setting closest to a police car or emergency vehicle.

Next time you get run over by someone who looked right at you, this is probably why.
 
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People also see police motorcycles for the above reason.
I know this was certainly true when I owned a Crown Victoria for a couple years. It was a mixed blessing though - people never pulled out in front of me, they'd wait patiently till I passed, but people in front of me would never go faster than the posted speed limit. Maddening when you're trying to get somewhere quickly.
 
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I wish they would find this subhuman dirtbag!

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People don't see police motorcycles either. Case in point every year officers out here are hit. As matter of fact in Laguna Woods / Laguna hills they stopped using motorcycles because too many of there cops were getting killed. So don't fool yourself.

I split every day, I ride over 60,000 miles a year. Its damn rare anyone deliberately cuts me off when I'm splitting. Yes it has happened, but its rare considering how many miles I split every day. I've had my share of close calls and a couple of road rage incidents come at me but not over splitting. In one case it was other drivers that blocked the nut so I could split and get away from him. He was pissed because I wasn't going fast enough for him and he couldn't get around me, even though I was almost 15 over the limit.
 
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I split every day, I ride over 60,000 miles a year. Its damn rare anyone deliberately cuts me off when I'm splitting. Yes it has happened, but its rare considering how many miles I split every day. I've had my share of close calls and a couple of road rage incidents come at me but not over splitting. In one case it was other drivers that blocked the nut so I could split and get away from him. He was pissed because I wasn't going fast enough for him and he couldn't get around me, even though I was almost 15 over the limit.
Was this rage guy on a bike too while you were splitting lanes doing 15mph over? If not; what would it matter if you weren't going fast enough? If he was on a bike; why not just let him go by?

I was splitting lanes going through L.A. one time while on my 69 FLH. I was moving along at about 15-20mph over what the traffic was doing and then I saw a motor cop coming fast behind me so I let him pass. I tried to keep up with him but there was just no way. He was too good and on a newer better bike with better brakes. Those "CHIP's" ride in that traffic all day and they get really good at it. Of course this was probably 25 or so years ago too. It's probably way worse on the roads there now and they don't get repaired like they used to.
 
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