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post #1 of 78 (permalink) Old 10-26-2009, 11:57 PM Thread Starter
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Real Dyno Numbers?

Howdy Y'all,

I'm the new guy here. Don't have a bike yet. Father-in-law (He's a big Harley guy) got me interested in cruisers (I grew up on CBR's and Interceptors).
Long story short: I've heard the sales pitch on these Victory's and I have to say I'm sold for the most part. But I'm wondering, since I can't find any actual proof, if anyone has any dyno data comparing the latest Harley 96, 103 and 110 motors to the Victory 100 and 106.
Mostly it's hard to find the numbers on the HD bikes. I know the Victory website says 97/113 for the Hammer but I'm wondering how real that is. A comparison of HP/TQ to the ground.
Has anyone seen 0-60 times or 1/4 mile times comparing any of these? All the tests seem to gloss over this stuff. I'd love to see a nuts up comparison with all the data.
Okay, I guess that wasn't very short.

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I ride a 07 Hammer S with a few internal mods. I have yet to run with any Harley that could stay in the same zip code including 110's. on a good day and a good lunch I will pull just shy of 110 mph in the 1/4 (Old School 1/4 / 4 telephone poles) in 4th gear at the new redline of 6500 before hitting 5th. Stock V-Rod will not keep up in the 1/4 This is real world numbers on the street. A good guess would be 115 hp 120ft just a guess though. I have run with Harley with a peace of paper stating thay have 100 hp to the ground but by 2nd gear it didn't mean much.
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in the real world lb. torque is the measurement that
means anything, i would say the reason harley has a hard time is those # meaning torque is not even close, same old story push rod & lifters[ h.d. ] v/s over head cam [ vic ]

not bashing hd they are good bikes, as ive owned plenty, last one for 17 yrs. just got tired of working on it. facts are facts

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At the tire a stock vic puts out.....
05-07 100" 74HP/97Ftb
08-10 100" 74/95

In S1 trim
05-07 82/100
08-10 78/97

The 106 in the 09-10
Stock 78/97
S1 81/102
All of these are rear wheel numbers. the 97/113 are crank numbers, and off by around 14% on average. Up to 17% on a wide tire bike

Now for an HD let me see if I can post this graph. Nope so here are the numbers
96" Stock 66/81
96" with pipes, and filter 72/81
110" found in a SE bike 80/96

All numbers are from my dyno at work except the 110", and that came straight from the SE catologe

Just for giggles my bike pulls 105/116 with it's current set up
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I ride a 07 Hammer S with a few internal mods. I have yet to run with any Harley that could stay in the same zip code including 110's. on a good day and a good lunch I will pull just shy of 110 mph in the 1/4 (Old School 1/4 / 4 telephone poles) in 4th gear at the new redline of 6500 before hitting 5th. Stock V-Rod will not keep up in the 1/4 This is real world numbers on the street. A good guess would be 115 hp 120ft just a guess though. I have run with Harley with a peace of paper stating thay have 100 hp to the ground but by 2nd gear it didn't mean much.
Thanks for the reply. What internal mods are you running?

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At the tire a stock vic puts out.....
05-07 100" 74HP/97Ftb
08-10 100" 74/95

In S1 trim
05-07 82/100
08-10 78/97

The 106 in the 09-10
Stock 78/97
S1 81/102
All of these are rear wheel numbers. the 97/113 are crank numbers, and off by around 14% on average. Up to 17% on a wide tire bike

Now for an HD let me see if I can post this graph. Nope so here are the numbers
96" Stock 66/81
96" with pipes, and filter 72/81
110" found in a SE bike 80/96

All numbers are from my dyno at work except the 110", and that came straight from the SE catologe

Just for giggles my bike pulls 105/116 with it's current set up
Hey Kevin, thanks for the feedback. What's up with the 07' having more than the newer version? Also, why isn't there more of a difference between the 106" and the 100" motors? It would seem an 07' 100" would be the way to go for the money.

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At the tire a stock vic puts out.....
05-07 100" 74HP/97Ftb
08-10 100" 74/95

In S1 trim
05-07 82/100
08-10 78/97

The 106 in the 09-10
Stock 78/97
S1 81/102
All of these are rear wheel numbers. the 97/113 are crank numbers, and off by around 14% on average. Up to 17% on a wide tire bike

Now for an HD let me see if I can post this graph. Nope so here are the numbers
96" Stock 66/81
96" with pipes, and filter 72/81
110" found in a SE bike 80/96

All numbers are from my dyno at work except the 110", and that came straight from the SE catologe

Just for giggles my bike pulls 105/116 with it's current set up
What all is involved with S1?

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In 08 Vic dropped compression from 9.8:1 in the 100" to 8.7:1, and introduced the 106 at 9.4:1. Pretty much lost power all around. That said the 106 in S1 trim makes more power in the all important idle to 3500 range; then the peak would suggest.

An S1 set would be some type of pipe, or slip on, a vented intake cover, and a higher flowing panel type filter
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In 08 Vic dropped compression from 9.8:1 in the 100" to 8.7:1, and introduced the 106 at 9.4:1. Pretty much lost power all around. That said the 106 in S1 trim makes more power in the all important idle to 3500 range; then the peak would suggest.

An S1 set would be some type of pipe, or slip on, a vented intake cover, and a higher flowing panel type filter
Thanks Kevin. Do you know why Vic dropped compression in 08? What would the 106 be like with the old compression numbers? Is it possible to change that?

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Up until 07 Vic was able to run the motors on the rich side, and the extra fuel would keep cumbustion temps down a good bit. In 08 the move to closed loop injection, and the leaner A/F ratio that goes with it. Meant they had to drop compression, or run to hot.

Adding a set of cams, and an intake along with the S1 will make the new bikes perform like the pre 08 bikes, and the 106" shines when given the treatment. Still not up to the earlier bikes with an S&S stroker, but 107+/107+ is not unussual with the right pipe
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