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post #1 of 62 (permalink) Old 03-05-2017, 10:16 AM Thread Starter
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Unhappy Vision caught fire!

Riding home a couple weeks ago, I'm sitting at a stoplight & smoke bellows up below my right foot. I shut down the bike, jump off & fine the brake close to the front cylinder head is in flames burning from one end to the other. I try to blow out & smother the flames with my sheepskin seat cover but to no avail. Globs of molten insulation hit the exhaust pipe & basically, I have to wait for the flames to subside. At this point, bike still runs but I have lost my rear brakes so I limp into a gas station around the corner. After surveying the situation, I call my insurance co. for roadside assistance & get the bike towed to my house. After discumboobulating the spaceship, find that both of the rear lines are a total loss. So I get new lines ordered & installed, bleed the brake system & start putting everything back together.
As soon as I hook up the battery, THE SAME FRIGGIN LINES GO UP IN SMOKE AGAIN!


Did not even have time to disconnect battery & ran for a fire extinguisher in my garage. So at this point, I am out $260 & a half bottle of Wild Turkey 101 wondering WTF! It appears that there must be some kind of electrical short that is passing juice thru the brake lines but I can't seem to find anything so far. Almost wish it burned to the ground the first time. I reckon my insurance would pay a fair amount vs. zero trade in value now that Ma Vic pulled the plug
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post #2 of 62 (permalink) Old 03-05-2017, 10:28 AM
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Holy Shit ! W T F ???? That is messed up ....

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Maybe check the pressure switch for a short. Do you have a harness that runs alongside of those lines? Not sure how the ABS comes into play on those bikes We had something similar on her KingPin after installing Cobra Tri Oval system. The pipe runs closer to the fame and melted the plastic return line they use for the rear brake. Made a new line out out metal. Lucky we noticed it dripping in the garage rather than her losing brakes on a long trip.

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Instead of hooking up battery put a 10 amp battery charger to the pos and neg.
Now start feeling for warm spots and wires.
When you installed the new lines. Was the key ON when it started to melt.
Start checking first at both fuse blocks. Then move on to wires.
Am guessing there has to be a wire rubbing on brake line. But you would of seen that when you replaced the lines.

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Man man, that is some strange happening.... Battery charger is a good idea

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Applying power until you find a hot spot? Well I suppose that might work but I'll bet the existing ashes are a pretty good indicator of how that might not work so well. I recall a fellow I used to work with who when presented with a difficult electro-mechanical problem simply kept putting in larger fuses until some questionable part blew up. Unfortunately it doesn't properly work that way and usually causes more problems than it fixes.

OP needs someone with a meter and the proper background on how to use it in regards to a vehicle. I'm assuming he doesn't know that himself due to the second ones going up in smoke.

OP, get qualified help. The usual forum anecdotes you get regarding electrical situations is going to cost you much more than an hours labour from a pro.

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Fire erupted with key off & out of ignition switch. So far, have not found any burnt wiring. Blown fuses are out of the question as if they blow, it protects the system due to shorts. I can't see the battery charger trick working as a direct short would trip the overload circuit on the charger. Plan on putting under the microscope again after enjoying a few adult beverages.
You can see in pic 2 the original burnt line. This led me to believe fire was caused by line insulation coming into contact with front cylinder head. Looked at brand new Vision at stealership & noticed very tight clearance as well. Funny thing is, replacement line had a support bracket to keep line away from head.
By the way, it's a 2012, full ABS linked braking system.
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Seems like it would take a lot of current to heat the steel braid of that line up enough to set the cover on fire. More than the 40 amp main circuit breaker would allow.
Perhaps somehow the starter circuit has a problem that is connecting it to that line and going to ground through it or the battery itself before going through the 40 amp breaker?

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Ahh, I would not recommend applying power to see where it heats up. What your describing is a short to ground, using an ohm meter first would be a safer option.

Have you ever added fuses or circuit breakers for anything?
Any powered device should have one of those and if it isn't tripping it's either defective, wrong amp rated, or we are talking your straight battery is contacting something in the brake system

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Only add on is HID system, fully protected with fuse close to battery. I opened up the power block behind the battery. Disconnected all 4 lines, then checked for direct shorts with ohmmeter. Guess what, no direct shorts! One line shows very high resistance to ground, not sure why. So where do I go from here?

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