The new Victory pipe from Trask Performance provides out of the box performance and style to your Victory. As shown by the dyno chart the pipe provided 112 horse with 116 torque on a 106 with cams. For more info contact us at 1-866-998-7275 or visit us at www.TraskPerformance.com
I f ing love this pipe. . . unfortunately it is not available this minute, soon.
From what Trask told me today, it will come in black, if you want it that way. It is not stepped, but does have a "proprietary" baffle, which I think sounds great on the video.
I'm glade to see more and more parts available for the XC.
Which cams are you using with this run?? VM-1 DR or the Touring cams??
Just curious if these are high numbers with VM-1 DR cams or lower numbers with the touring cams.
Love the look of these though, would love them in black.
We ran this pipe on a Victory that was built by Kewl Metal. We are getting the cam info soon and will post ASAP. Sorry for the delay we have been getting a few things straight with the forum.
these numbers are a bit misleading because you will get those same numbers with cams and open mufflers like ness big honkers. However, dont forget youll need a power commander, because your newly cammed bike will run like **** without one.
All that being said, these pipes look awesome and wont hurt your bikes performance. If i had an xc or xr, id give them a serious look.
I wouldnt say they are misleading. It just makes a difference on what cams are being used. Most cross country bikes with the VM-1 DR cams are in the 100-110 HP and 105-113 TQ range. Wether your using Ness honkers, tri ovals, D&D, atom bombs, or what ever other exhaust. With the VM-1 DR cams they normally fall in those numbers. Now with the Touring cams most cross country's are in the 118-125HP range and 120's on TQ with the same exhaust.
So I was just wanting to know what cams where being used to get a better apples to apples comparison, because if I used a set of VM-1 DR cams with say victory's stage one exhaust and got 103hp and 105 TQ. Then I do the same thing with the touring cam then the numbers will be higher due only to the cams and nothing with the exhaust.
I love the look just wanted to see if the exhaust was actually losing alittle power compared to the normal full exhaust system or is actually holding its own. To get a better comparision on how well the exhaust performs we need to know what cam is being used to know for sure where it should be performing.
As far as not hurting performance that is why i was asking for what cam is being used to see if they are a decent pipe or just noise makers.
Not all exhausts help performance, and when they get them as short as those are you will definatly see a hit in performance normally in the TQ area.
I like the look of this pipe. Can't listen to it as i'm at work but it looks like a shortened Hardkrome Sideburner that the 109r guys use.
Would it fit a Highball? In black it would really suit the bike. Would this pipe also fall into the 2into1 pipes that boost performance over 2 into 1 like the turnouts or slash cuts?
Obviously they did not make those numbers just by adding exhaust...
Where are the dyno runs with all of the mods prior to adding the pipes?
There is no way possible that you added exhaust only and added that kind of power.
What OTHER mods have been made?
Says right in their post "With Cams"
I was asking what cams they had in them so we could have a good comparison to how well the exhaust performs but they have never replied.
With out cams most cross country's are in the 80-85 hp range and 95-100 on TQ. Throw the cams in and you get those numbers they are posting. But im still curious what cams they are. VM1-DR or the touring cam? Touring cam is good for around 10-15 hp and 10-15 more tq then the VM1-DR cams.
i would bet the farm you loose lo to midrange grunt where we ride most of the time, tuning could be an issue as well! there is sooo many short loud pipes on the market for different bikes, no matter what the SELLER shows performance will suffer. why do they usually add cams and prolly a time consuming tune $$$$ they want our $$$ like anyone in business!!
Yep, on the dyno they look to pull around the same till around 4000rpm. The touring continues to pull till redline as the vm1 -dr starts to decend. Ya its not much extra cost for the gain you get. On average the touring cam is good for around 10 hp & tq over the VM1 drop in cams. All depends on how you ride, if you find your self in the 4500rpm- redline often then you will feel the benifit of the touring cam pulling longer. If you normally shift around or before 4000rpm then you might as well just stick with the drop in cams. Both cams perform very well.
KMC installed my touring cams and they did not change any valves or other parts. They did have to clearance some things. There was about $400 extra in labor. I did not lose any low end torque as you can see from the dyno chart
I never use anything below 2k. I usually shift it at 4k. When I need to really womp on it I will bring it to 6k. It is at 3k on the highway at 80mph so passing is a simple twist of the wrist.
If you ride below 2k than I believe you are lugging the bike.
The dyno below is from SlickVic with drop in cams and he is not pulling more torque down low. He is numbers are on the high for drop ins
Yes you can do the cams with out stiffer valve springs but lloyd and rylan have both said that they will do them that way but feel better about the reliability if the springs are done as well. Rylan said the stock springs are strong enough but is afraid after 20-30k miles they will weaken due to the extra lift. He also said with the stock springs the valve keeper could actually come in contact with the valve seal causing them to leak. With the touring cams and stock springs when you turn the motor over the spring is actually so compressed it bottoms all the coils out on each other and you can see the spring try to twist alittle bit due to the extra lift of the cams. The high lift springs keep this from happening and also take the risk of the keeper hitting the seal out of question.
Plenty have done them with out doing springs and have had no problems, but it is a fairly new cam and people probably havent hit that 20-30k mark with these cams with stock springs.
Rylan never said that it would for sure happen if you didnt do the springs, but he highly recommended doing them mainly for reliability. I would have to dig up my dyno sheet from the shop but it made 108hp and 113TQ with the drop in cams. Plenty happy with them. I was actually going to go ahead and have rylan do mine with out the springs as well cause i wanted to touring cams but he was out of them at the time.
Pretty Happy with Freedom True Duals but if ever not, could see the Bassani 2:1 in the Future ..
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