Just pick up my new CC and so far it's all I wanted and more. One question though, oil and filter scheduled maintenance. Owners manual says every 2500 miles and that seems a bit aggressive for todays oils and filters.

Any reason I don't know about?

Don

That is and has always been standard for Victory bikes.

you have a brand new CC.........don't be cheap

Have no intentions of being cheap but I also have no intentions of changing oil three times on a summer trip.

Thinking of a CC myself. Pics, initial review :confused: ?

Thinking of a CC myself. Pics, initial review :confused: ?

Mine is just your basic black. Nothing added yet.
I am still getting used to the bike. It does handle a bit different than my last couple of bikes but so far I'm sure I am going to love it. The true test will be on my first long trip. Can't wait.
Don

Have no intentions of being cheap but I also have no intentions of changing oil three times on a summer trip.

If you don't have intentions on changing it why ask the question?

Your manual has the recommended change intervals and that is what you SHOULD follow. You will also notice that shifting will become increasingly harder going beyond that interval.

If you don't have intentions on changing it why ask the question?

Your manual has the recommended change intervals and that is what you SHOULD follow. You will also notice that shifting will become increasingly harder going beyond that interval.

You're right, I was wrong in posting this question. I was a little surprised that in 2010 there is a motorcycle that still recommends that kind of change interval.
I should have ask if most of the people on this forum followed this schedule. But, with all the replies I guess I got the answer.
Thanks for your reply
Don

You're right, I was wrong in posting this question. I was a little surprised that in 2010 there is a motorcycle that still recommends that kind of change interval.
I should have ask if most of the people on this forum followed this schedule. But, with all the replies I guess I got the answer.
Thanks for your reply
Don

Don,

Without oil analysis, I would stick with Vic's recommended interval.

I do agree that the Vic should be able to go past 2500, and may be conservative in their end, but again, without analysis, I wouldn't. You have a big cube engine running quite hot and has a common sump which contaminates the oil from engine, tranny and clutch.

One exception would be to use AMSOIL Motorcycle Specific oils and the AMSOIL EA Series oil filter. With this combination, you are good to 5000.

The filter is a necessary element as it is 15 Micron Absolute and not another filter compares.

1-877-356-6099 goes to my cell..

Oil, is the Lifeblood of your engine. The oil filter, is the Kidney that keeps it clean.

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Bob

Don,

Without oil analysis, I would stick with Vic's recommended interval.

I do agree that the Vic should be able to go past 2500, and may be conservative in their end, but again, without analysis, I wouldn't. You have a big cube engine running quite hot and has a common sump which contaminates the oil from engine, tranny and clutch.

One exception would be to use AMSOIL Motorcycle Specific oils and the AMSOIL EA Series oil filter. With this combination, you are good to 5000.

The filter is a necessary element as it is 15 Micron Absolute and not another filter compares.

1-877-356-6099 goes to my cell..

Oil, is the Lifeblood of your engine. The oil filter, is the Kidney that keeps it clean.

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Bob

I gotta raise a HUGE BS flag on this post. There's nothing super duper special about Amsoil that will allow you to double you change intervals unless you are willing to forgo your factory warranty and trust that Amsoil will step in and pay your bills once Victory refuses your claims.

Do you have the fully documented test using a Victory 100/106 Freedom engine that proves your assumption that your oil and filter can maintain the qualities required by Victory to 5000 miles? Without that I ain't drinking the kool aid.

Also, there are a number of threads on the larger Victory sites where people have documented that in the Victory Freedom engines, Amsoil WILL CAUSE CLUTCH SLIPPAGE.

Factory interval is 2500 miles, you choose to not follow it at your own peril. Will there be engine / trans damage is you don't, who knows, but I for one do not want to be the one that finds out.

I suggest plotting out dealers on your route and planning for the 1 or 2 stops, depending on the length of your journey, to get your oil changed, it's cheap insurance.

I gotta raise a HUGE BS flag on this post. There's nothing super duper special about Amsoil that will allow you to double you change intervals unless you are willing to forgo your factory warranty and trust that Amsoil will step in and pay your bills once Victory refuses your claims.

Do you have the fully documented test using a Victory 100/106 Freedom engine that proves your assumption that your oil and filter can maintain the qualities required by Victory to 5000 miles? Without that I ain't drinking the kool aid.

Also, there are a number of threads on the larger Victory sites where people have documented that in the Victory Freedom engines, Amsoil WILL CAUSE CLUTCH SLIPPAGE.

Factory interval is 2500 miles, you choose to not follow it at your own peril. Will there be engine / trans damage is you don't, who knows, but I for one do not want to be the one that finds out.

I suggest plotting out dealers on your route and planning for the 1 or 2 stops, depending on the length of your journey, to get your oil changed, it's cheap insurance.

I wasn't the one that talked about Amsoil I was the one that asked the question about 2500 mile change intervals.

I don't use Amsoil so I can't say as to clutch slippage but I know a lot of people that uses Amsoil in different kinds of motorcycles including Victorys with no problems.

I wasn't the one that talked about Amsoil I was the one that asked the question about 2500 mile change intervals.

I don't use Amsoil so I can't say as to clutch slippage but I know a lot of people that uses Amsoil in different kinds of motorcycles including Victorys with no problems.

Sorry for the confusion, the bulk of my post was directed at the Scamsoil salesman.

I too have used Amsoil on a number of bikes and never had an issue with the clutch but read through here and The *** and you'll see a number of people have had problems.

It isn't a few isolated cases, it's quite a few including mechanics who sell and install the stuff. Some have used it without a problem so it's really up in the air as to why.

Either way, when I use Amsoil or any other oil / filter combo is till maintain the factory drain intervals and that was the crux of my reply.

I gotta raise a HUGE BS flag on this post. There's nothing super duper special about Amsoil that will allow you to double you change intervals unless you are willing to forgo your factory warranty and trust that Amsoil will step in and pay your bills once Victory refuses your claims.

Do you have the fully documented test using a Victory 100/106 Freedom engine that proves your assumption that your oil and filter can maintain the qualities required by Victory to 5000 miles? Without that I ain't drinking the kool aid.

Also, there are a number of threads on the larger Victory sites where people have documented that in the Victory Freedom engines, Amsoil WILL CAUSE CLUTCH SLIPPAGE.

Factory interval is 2500 miles, you choose to not follow it at your own peril. Will there be engine / trans damage is you don't, who knows, but I for one do not want to be the one that finds out.

I suggest plotting out dealers on your route and planning for the 1 or 2 stops, depending on the length of your journey, to get your oil changed, it's cheap insurance.

Extending a drain interval does not void any warranty. It is against the law. A Dealer cannot void a warranty.

AMSOIL must be one smart oil if it can cause clutch slippage on some bikes and not on others.

AMSOIL is also the only Synthetic that I am aware of that can be used in High HP wet clutch Superchargers.

One of my retail accounts is a Victory dealer and sells both our 10W-40 and 20W-50 MOTORCYCLE Specific oils and have had only one problem... It was an employee who said there was no way he was going to pay $9.00 per qt for M/C Specific Synthetic.. The previous oil used was Mobil 1 Automotive oil which does not have the proper specs.

It is just an easy out for people and mechanics to put the blame on. Especially a mechanic as 99+% have No Technical training in lubricants. Most can't even tell you what the numbers on the bottle mean much less tell you what the proper specs are for your bike.

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Bob

Also, yes, there is something Super Duper about AMSOIL or all the other oil companies would not be trying to duplicate it.

Since the first White Paper, many oil companies ramped up their formulations on Motorcycle Specific oils thanks to the test results. They are still lagging, but there is some serious competition on the forefront.

AMSOIL's Formulations and additive packs do allow it to go 2x OEM Drain intervals.. We did some independent testing on a customers bike where at 3350 miles, the Synthetic in it had sheared back a full viscosity grade and was recommended by the analysis company to change at the earliest opportunity.

Same bike with AMSOIL.. Driven around Orlando, to Sturgis and back and more around Orlando... 9731 miles and it came back "Continue to next regular service interval.

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Bob

Sorry for the confusion, the bulk of my post was directed at the Scamsoil salesman.

Showing your 16 year old mentallity I see

I too have used Amsoil on a number of bikes and never had an issue with the clutch but read through here and The *** and you'll see a number of people have had problems.

It isn't a few isolated cases, it's quite a few including mechanics who sell and install the stuff. Some have used it without a problem so it's really up in the air as to why.

As I said... One smart oil if it can pick and choose... Can't you see that just by your own post here it is not AMSOIL causing the problem ? It is either a mechanical issue or the previous oil...

Either way, when I use Amsoil or any other oil / filter combo is till maintain the factory drain intervals and that was the crux of my reply.

And if that is what you are comfortable doing, you should maintain that interval. AMSOIL with use of the AMSOIL EA Series filter is capable of 2X the OEM Interval.

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Bob

Extending a drain interval does not void any warranty. It is against the law. A Dealer cannot void a warranty.


Yes you are right that the "dealer" cannot void the warranty but Victory can void it if a dealer reports the extended oil change interval caused damage and then Vic WILL send out a Victory Tech to check it. If that tech finds the fault of the failure due to extended oil change interval it IS legal to void the warranty of all parts that are effected by the oil which is most of the engine and tranny internals!

Yes you are right that the "dealer" cannot void the warranty but Victory can void it if a dealer reports the extended oil change interval caused damage and then Vic WILL send out a Victory Tech to check it. If that tech finds the fault of the failure due to extended oil change interval it IS legal to void the warranty of all parts that are effected by the oil which is most of the engine and tranny internals!

OK... I will try to explain this.. No, the OEM cannot void a warranty for extended drains. It is against the law.

The OEM Must prove that the extended drain caused the problem, not the customer prove it didn't. By Law, the Burden of proof is on the OEM.

I was a Certified Tech, not a mechanic, there is a difference, and have owned and sold several successful shops and ran a couple others in-between. I don't care how good the Tech is, they cannot tell if the oil is bad by looking at it, smelling it, feeling it or even tasting it. Oil Analysis must be performed. If they do not perform analysis, and they won't, they just lost. I have fought this with Mitsubishi and Ford.. I had the Analysis report. They lost.

Just as with aftermarket parts such as filters.. The Dealer can be required by the OEM to use ONLY OEM parts BUT, the customer does not have to and the use of such parts Do Not Automatically void any warranty unless those parts are listed by Manufacturers name in the Written Warranty.

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Bob

The OEM can void the warranty if they deem the extended oil change caused the damage. Then it is up to the customer to sue the manufacturer.

It is not illegal for the OEM to void the warranty if the extended oil change caused the damage.

You can look at oil especially extended usage and see a lot of problems with it. Color, smell, consistency can all show up.

A motorcycle engine is NOT a Ford or Mitsubishi engine. It is much easier to tell damage in a motorcycle engine than a car motor.

Furthermore the VICTORY engine and tranny share the same oil. I don't think any Ford or Mitsubishi does.

You may know Ford and Mitsubishi but I know Victory.

I brought this up in the other thread and will repeat it here. I've noticed that you haven't commented on Amsoils engine cooling efficiency.

Is Amsoil formulated for cooling the Victory engine? Probably not because it is generic for whatever application calls for the weight.

The Victory oil is formulated to help cool the Victory engine.

You need to just peddle your product and stop the outright lies you are making.

The OEM can void the warranty if they deem the extended oil change caused the damage. Then it is up to the customer to sue the manufacturer.

It is not illegal for the OEM to void the warranty if the extended oil change caused the damage.

You can look at oil especially extended usage and see a lot of problems with it. Color, smell, consistency can all show up.

A motorcycle engine is NOT a Ford or Mitsubishi engine. It is much easier to tell damage in a motorcycle engine than a car motor.

Furthermore the VICTORY engine and tranny share the same oil. I don't think any Ford or Mitsubishi does.

You may know Ford and Mitsubishi but I know Victory.

I brought this up in the other thread and will repeat it here. I've noticed that you haven't commented on Amsoils engine cooling efficiency.

Is Amsoil formulated for cooling the Victory engine? Probably not because it is generic for whatever application calls for the weight.

The Victory oil is formulated to help cool the Victory engine.

You need to just peddle your product and stop the outright lies you are making.

This is getting downright funny.

No lies here except for you from what I see.

I sell to 2 Vic Dealers who go through Thousands of $$ a month and they have no problems.

You seem to have all the problems...

Don't try to tell everyone that a Vic engine is so different from any other M/C engine and the oil is a special blend...

Yes, AMSOIL provides cooler oil temps...

You as a Dealer, cannot void a warranty.

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Bob

Also, they cannot void a warranty if they "Deem" it was the oil or change interval..

It must be proven... That is the law... Neither you or Victory can change that.

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Don't try to tell everyone that a Vic engine is so different from any other M/C engine and the oil is a special blend...



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Bob

Another example of shady salesman tactics.

I did not compare the Vic engine to any other M/C engine only to the Ford or Mitsubishi CAR engine because you felt compelled to mention that as your Tech experience.

Also, they cannot void a warranty if they "Deem" it was the oil or change interval..

It must be proven... That is the law... Neither you or Victory can change that.

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Bob

My mistake on my wording. If it is proven that it is the oil or the change interval the manufacturer can void the warranty and it is not hard to prove when oil has caused thermal damage and has been run too long.

I have a question for you. IF a person buys oil from you for their Vic and the engine fails and Victory PROVES it was due to Amsoil and or Amsoil's recommendation of exceeding the OEM oil change interval. Will YOU or Amsoil pay to repair it AND will you or Amsoil warranty the repair and the parts voided since there is no longer a Victory warranty?

The Victory oil is formulated to help cool the Victory engine.


Huh ? Looks like you are saying the oil IS Specifically formulated for the Vic engine which would mean the Vic engine is different than other engines.

Is it made of some new Alloy that requires High Bred Exotic Lubrication ?

Damn. the Vic we sold should have had the clutch slipping long before I sold it.. And the new owner still buys from me..

Just what do you do at this Dealership ?

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Bob

My mistake on my wording. If it is proven that it is the oil or the change interval the manufacturer can void the warranty and it is not hard to prove when oil has caused thermal damage and has been run too long.

Really.... And you can tell it was the oil by simply looking at it ?

You sir, are better than any tech I have ever met. You are missing your calling as a Certified Engine Inspector. Being able to tell what is the cause just by looking at it and not running any tests..

Yes, AMSOIL has a warranty..

Again, Maintenance Practices (Interval) cannot void a Warranty... You need to look up the law..

This is why many people hate bringing their vehicle to a Dealership. They attempt to use scare tactics.

Next you are going to tell us that if the first service is required to maintain Warranty, you can charge for it too.

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Really.... And you can tell it was the oil by simply looking at it ?

You sir, are better than any tech I have ever met. You are missing your calling as a Certified Engine Inspector. Being able to tell what is the cause just by looking at it and not running any tests..

Yes, AMSOIL has a warranty..

Again, Maintenance Practices (Interval) cannot void a Warranty... You need to look up the law..

This is why many people hate bringing their vehicle to a Dealership. They attempt to use scare tactics.

Next you are going to tell us that if the first service is required to maintain Warranty, you can charge for it too.

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Bob

This is the last I am going to comment to you.

You are a SALESMAN selling your your product by any means necessary and either you are ignorant, refuse to hear or see anything contrary or just plain old LIE to sell your product. Just as a salesman does. You have posted around and about answers, blamed everything and everyone if the clutch is slipping except maybe it could be Amsoil.

You constantly ask questions that I have answered (like what I do or where I work and visual inspection of oil etc.)then you post irrelevant, cloudy answers and dance around other questions with no real direct or detailed answers.

I cannot find anything on the Amsoil website that addressed the warranty damage if PROVEN to be from Amsoil and offering an after warranty equal to that of the Victory or any OEM for the parts that failed and continues to warranty the effected parts. You stating there is a warranty does not make it true.

I am asking for DIRECT, POSITIVE, FACTUAL answers. All the testing on the Amsoil website is no better then the snakeoil TV commercials for Slick 50 and those products that have been proven to not work. Yet they are still on store shelves and people buy them. That doesn't prove they work.

As I have said my posts are based on FACTS of experience. I have no stake in Victory Oil at all. As a matter of fact since I have my own business (not a dealer), selling Amsoil would be profitable for me BUT it wouldn't be good for my customers. Here are my FACTS.
MY customers and their bikes that I have maintained (most from the day they were purchased) with Vic oil had no clutch slippage, switched them to Amsoil only to have slipping clutches, then switch them back to Vic oil and no more slipping clutch. This isn't every customer but is is the VAST MAJORITY that have this problem. I've only had 2 or 3 customers with no problems out of dozens.

I guess Victory engineers are pretty smart to program or teach the clutchs' to slip when you put in Amsoil. Very smart marketing on Victory's part to make sure that their oil is used.

Your childish behavior where you call me and AMSOIL names is unbecoming of someone that owns a Dealership so I am doubting that you are the owner. Mechanic or Parts Dept. maybe.

I don't talk in circles or what ever you said. I know after over 25 yrs with AMSOIL that I can trust the Oil and The Company. I have thousands of customers that keep returning to purchase.

You say that you have dozens of people with problems using AMSOIL. I have a couple Vic Dealers that sell Thousands of $$ worth and no problems. So, for me, I am going to look at it as the problem is with the Vics you service or the oil used prior. That is logical.

I don't think the engineers at Vic build a clutch smart enough to slip with AMSOIL, but, the oil must be pretty smart to choose the Vic's you service if there is no mechanical reason or it was not the previously used oil. Quite possible that someone is trying to use additives in the oil which is definitely something that should Never be done.

AMSOIL does have a written Warranty. Sorry you couldn't find it.

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The Vic dealer I just purchased my 2010 XC from highly recommends using Amsoil 20 W 50 after the second oil change. However he doesn't suggest that you extend the intervals for the oil change. I for one will use amsoil and change it at the 2500 mile interval, but if I am on a road trip and am going to go a few thousand miles over the change interval, I am not going to worry about it

The Vic dealer I just purchased my 2010 XC from highly recommends using Amsoil 20 W 50 after the second oil change. However he doesn't suggest that you extend the intervals for the oil change. I for one will use amsoil and change it at the 2500 mile interval, but if I am on a road trip and am going to go a few thousand miles over the change interval, I am not going to worry about it

As long as you use the AMSOIL filter, there is definitely not a problem with going over the mileage.

Please contact us by email for Forum Member pricing at AMSOIL@bestoil4you.com

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Bob

I have been told that I am misrepresenting some things so I would like to make a few things clear.

The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (Federal Law) does not allow an OEM to Automatically void a warranty due to maintenance practices. Nor can they void a warranty due to materials used as long as they meet the Proper Specifications.

AMSOIL Motorcycle products exceed the Specifications set forth by Victory for their Motorcycles.

Using AMSOIL will NOT void your warranty even if you go to 2X the OEM recommended mileage up to 1 year. (You must use the AMSOIL filter or change the filter at the OEM recommended Interval). The OEM must Prove fault of the product used. The customer does not have to prove it didn't. That is also covered in The Magnuson-Moss Act.

In such a case as the OEM voids a warranty, AMSOIL, as most companies, has a warranty on their products.

I have been in business Since 1972, as an AMSOIL Dealer Since 1984, and used the M-M Act For My Customers sake.

Bob

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You must use the AMSOIL filter or change the filter at the OEM recommended Interval.

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