: Fuel Accuracy Issue
Serpico 01-29-2010, 01:02 PM I wondering if anybody else is having issues with their low fuel light indicator coming on way too early? My fuel gauge will show empty, I get both low fuel inidcators normally around 141 on my trip odometer. When I go to fill up I average 3.5 gallons of fuel and with a 5.8 gallon tank, you can do the math.
My dealer contacted Victory and they did some readings and said that everything is normal. My dealer also stated that Victory wants to make sure that the tank doesn't run dry because the fuel pump is in the tank.
I wouldn't mind if the low fuel light came on with about 1.5 gallons in the tank, but 2.5 or more is not right.
diamondrmp 01-29-2010, 01:29 PM It sounds right to me. Aside from the light coming on why does this annoy you? Better safe than sorry.
stevie3x 01-29-2010, 02:08 PM that is basically where my low fuel light starts to come on, i continue to ride till around the 160-170 mile on the odo , have never ran out , i do know it is not recommended to allow any fuel injected vehicle to run completely dry , given the fact others have said a new fuel pump from vic is around $350.00 plus labor [ if you can't install ] i don't want to buy one any sooner than absolutely necessary.
steve
I totally understand. Why have a gage that doesn't gage? When my gage shows 1/2 tank, I fill up to find that I've used 3.5 us gals. By that mark, I guess I have a 7 us gal tank. I too have to say that the gas gage Suc**. However, the speedo is almost right on, according to the read out I receive from my GPS. I average about 41 MPG, which I feel is pretty good. The gas gage needs work!
NOEMTZ 01-29-2010, 11:07 PM Not sure if this what you are doing or not....could happen. My dealer mentioned that a guy was coming in with the same issue. After going round and round with him....come to find out he was shoving the gas nozzle all the way into the gas spout.....once fuel reached the tip of gas nozzle....pump trips and stops fueling as if full tall has been acheived. After holding nozzle back up couple inches....he was able to get more fuel in tank and stretch his in between low fuel light ups.
True story.....
Serpico 01-30-2010, 10:18 AM That was one of the first things that my dealer and I looked at to try and solve the problem. I know another guy who has the same bike and he is also having the same problem.
I was talking to my service manager and he said that maybe he could bend the float a little to see if that helps. He is not recommended that as a solution, but maybe as a action of last resort.
John T. 06-28-2010, 09:28 AM My Crossroads fuel light doesn't come on until about 190-200 miles. It then takes about 4.5.4.7 gallons for a fill up. This seems about right to me. This means I'm getting around 42-43 MPG.
Ido like was mentioned earlier, I fill until the pump clicks off and then pull the nozzle out about 2" and completely fill the tank.
This seems to work OK for me.
John T. 06-28-2010, 09:31 AM Just for info my crossroads has 3500 miles on it and runs great.
I fill up when my low fuel comes on and I usually get 4.5 gallons in the tank. Only getting about 3.5 gallons on a low fuel light doesn't seem right.
kevinx 07-04-2010, 08:13 PM There is a new flash for the cluster that improves the gas gauge, and light to almost good
Sean Edmunds 07-05-2010, 12:30 AM I just bought my Cross Country on Friday and am closing in on 500 miles. This evening I was riding and my gas gauge dropped from 1/4 to resting on "E" and just a few miles. Then my low fuel light came on and my "RANGE" screen just read LOW FUEL. I was about 20 miles from a gas station and started getting nervous. I had topped off my tank a couple times to check mileage and had been averaging about 46 mpg. I had 182 on the tank when this happened. Anyway, I made it to the gas station and filled up. I took 4.2 gallons and I had 204 miles on that tank.
If I assume that I had it filled the last time that leaves about 1.6 gallons in the tank and roughly 2 gals or so in the tank when the light came on. I guess I wouldn't have a problem with the low fuel light being on if I could still trust the gauge and/or the range feature still worked. When this started and before the lights stayed on permanently the range was reading about 58 miles.
Serpico 07-05-2010, 03:00 PM Now I am making sure that I fill that tank all the way up, low fuel light around 175 miles and I still drive for about another 40 miles and I put about on average about 4.6 gallons into it. It is a little bit better but still not the most accurate thing around!!
rking35209 07-05-2010, 04:13 PM It sounds right to me. Aside from the light coming on why does this annoy you? Better safe than sorry.
Thats a silly question, why not one step further and have it come on when he fills up. My guess to his annoyance is that he would like for it to be somewhat close to when he's getting low and not not coming on when he's still has a close to half a tank left.
goose20 07-16-2010, 08:33 PM I had this problem with my Vision for a long time. Then, on a long trip I discovered it was the way I fill up. I had the habbit from my VTX to keep the bike vertical while fueling. When I left it leaning on the kick stand, it filled better. The Vision gas tank is shaped in a circle. So, it doesn't fill normally.
Sean Edmunds 07-17-2010, 01:18 AM I had the flash done that Kevin mentioned and it seems better though I still put just over 4 gallons in from low fuel, at least the gauge wasn't buried out on "E".
I guess though that if I was not getting the bike full at the pump I would expect the gas gauge to show that as well. It can't be off in opposite directions at either end of its range. At least not for me and my money. So I don't see how not having it "FULL" makes a difference. The gauge was still off.
gulliverstoe 07-17-2010, 08:48 AM My Crossroads fuel light doesn't come on until about 190-200 miles. It then takes about 4.5.4.7 gallons for a fill up. This seems about right to me. This means I'm getting around 42-43 MPG.
Ido like was mentioned earlier, I fill until the pump clicks off and then pull the nozzle out about 2" and completely fill the tank.
This seems to work OK for me.
same here...seems ok....but i would rather it kept up the range estimate than just go off the cliff...
2011 C2 03-18-2011, 10:31 PM Take today for example. I get on it and it shows a touch above 1/4 tank. By the time I get to work (5 or miles) it at the beginning of the red bracket for empty. I go to lunch and when I start up its at the bottom of empty and the gas light is on. I looked at the miles remaining when it showed 1/4 tank and it said 65 miles remaining. I didn't drive 10 total miles before it was time to top off. I put in 4.8 gallons, so it was almost empty.
Any clues? Hanging float?
Shuffles 03-18-2011, 10:38 PM I think my float hangs up also. When I fill, on side stand to the neck etc, the fuel gauge will stay on full for a long time. I just slosh the bike back and forth a bit and it reads fine after that. Not a big deal if you are aware of it and keep a eye on the trip meter. If that is the only thing that goes wrong, I am a happy guy.
CrossRoads 03-18-2011, 10:53 PM Take today for example. I get on it and it shows a touch above 1/4 tank. By the time I get to work (5 or miles) it at the beginning of the red bracket for empty. I go to lunch and when I start up its at the bottom of empty and the gas light is on. I looked at the miles remaining when it showed 1/4 tank and it said 65 miles remaining. I didn't drive 10 total miles before it was time to top off. I put in 4.8 gallons, so it was almost empty.
Any clues? Hanging float?
No hanging float. The fuel gauge is not as accurate as on a jet fighter. Bummer.
But, the X bikes have a total fuel capacity of 5.8 gal. At the time when you thought you were bone dry, you still had another gallon to burn, which would've gotten you another 40 miles or so.
Best thing to do is to determine your average gas mileage. Then you'll know how many miles you can put on a tank of fuel before you're in real danger of running on empty. In my case, I know when the low fuel light turns on, to keep in mind that soon I will need to refuel. The low fuel light comes regularly around 150 miles on my bike, and I ride about 200-220miles before I actually fuel it. That still leaves me with an "emergency" half a gallon just in case. thumb up
gregbenner 03-19-2011, 07:45 AM There have been several threads on this. Victory knows about it, and issued a bulliton to the dealers (my dealer showed it to me). Basically Victory sort of blames the shape of the fuel tank, and concludes they would rather have the light go on too early vs too late. Seems pretty lame, but.....
When my low fuel light goes on and immediately reset the trip#2 odometer to zero. I allow at least 50 more miles, and this way I don't forget when the light came on. I tested mine with a quart of fuel in the side case, just ran it empty.
Here's a thread I started a few months ago
http://www.victoryforums.com/showthread.php?t=3720
dirtdobber 03-19-2011, 09:17 AM I use the trip meter
Do you have the flash for it. you know something I can look up to show my dealer. Alabama is always behind ya know.
I tend to think it is the stretched fuel tank.
BigRedXerII 03-21-2011, 12:35 PM I usually get to around 65-70 miles left on the trip meter before the light comes on. The thing I noticed is that they ( Victory ) must not whant you to run out of gas.
1: Fuel Guage
2: Trip Meter w/miles left in tank
3: Information bar that says "Low Fuel Idiot" , OK I added the last part. Mine comes on at arround 60 miles left in tank.
4: Low on gas at least 40mpg and if taken easy I could get over 50mpg
I figure if I run out of gas on this bike, I deserve to push it
I did put 5.2 gallons in my VTX on a trip once. It holds 5.3, I knew I should have stoped at the last gas. She was cutting out when I pulled in and I coasted on the down hills the last serveral miles. Lucky for me the last mile to gas was all down hill.
Swedeflyer 03-21-2011, 09:27 PM I've heard that there's a quick tank modification (and free) that will let you fill over 1/2 gallon more fuel when topping off your tank. Should make a 250 mile ride easy if you need it. Might come in handy as it seems tough to find 91 octane fuel sometimes.
dirtdobber 03-21-2011, 09:35 PM I've heard that there's a quick tank modification (and free) that will let you fill over 1/2 gallon more fuel when topping off your tank. Should make a 250 mile ride easy if you need it. Might come in handy as it seems tough to find 91 octane fuel sometimes.
Got a link?
It probably doesn't allow more fuel but it might make it to use what's there.
The VTX C model 2002-2004 models has the fuel pump inside the tank as well. you can add more holes in the rubber casing at the filter and relocate the sensor. Then the light comes on a little later (15-20 miles) and it allows the pump to pick up fuel closer to the bottom.Perhaps this is what it does.
Don't know, just saying
Swedeflyer 03-22-2011, 12:05 AM Actually it does let you put more fuel in the tank. Here's a copy of what I posted at *** site..... don't have time to reply directly.
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Let's just say that I know a guy who owned a V-Star that had a similar filler neck on its gas tank. He took a punch (coated lightly with vaseline as I recall) and made a few small holes in the neck sidewall between the 1 and 4 o'clock position just under the filler lip. Obviously, there are things to consider when doing this with an open tank. If the tank is almost full, there will be less fumes, etc. Also, I'm not sure where the tank fuel gauge is mounted, so the punch should not be extended deep when the hole is pierced. A sharp punch can start the hole, using a thicker taper could open it more. Don't even think about drilling these holes. About five holes should be sufficient to allow air venting while fueling the bike above the neck base. This air venting will allow you to easily fuel the tank (at your own risk) above the fill neck base. For all I know, it might be possible to easily remove the filler cap and neck to do this modification away from the tank. On the V-Star it must be done on the tank.
I wouldn't consider filling the tank this way unless you plan to immediately ride and begin burning the fuel down in the tank. Leaving the tank standing overfull, especially in direct sunlight, will certainly risk expansion in the tank and whatever damage that may cause. Fueling this way is contrary to the operator's instructions from Victory.
Also, adding maximum fuel to the tank is risking an overflow, which could possibly be very dangerous if fuel runs over onto the engine/exhaust which might be hot enough for ignition. In other words, each maximum fueling must be done very carefully and at your own risk. If you're not really good with your "pump hand" control, over-filling isn't advisable.
Personally, I don't think doing this makes any sense unless you have a true need to max fuel your bike. However, as non-alcohol 91 octane is not readily available in many places anymore, it does give you more opportunity to extend your range when you need to.
This information is only that.... information. What an individual owner does to their own bike is always deemed at their own risk. As an instructor during my early career once told me when I was pushing the limits... "son, when you fly this thing beyond the design limits, you become a test pilot... and we don't give extra pay for test pilots, but we do bury them for free"
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