: Cross Country Trunk
cocheese72 07-27-2010, 09:57 AM Victories website has changed, and while looking at it, I noticed a picture of the new trunk for the Cross Country. Could not find it as an accessory. Does anyone know a price on this? I know it is going to be through the roof.
I just saw it listed on the pure polaris site. It is selling for $1749 and also there is an uplift kit for $99 and a trunk lock kit for $39 for 2010 Cross Countries. It looks like it will be a quick release, with a rear tail light and speakers. Still that is a lot of money!
cocheese72 07-27-2010, 08:07 PM I just saw it listed on the pure polaris site. It is selling for $1749 and also there is an uplift kit for $99 and a trunk lock kit for $39 for 2010 Cross Countries. It looks like it will be a quick release, with a rear tail light and speakers. Still that is a lot of money!
Sounds like a bargain. Victory does like their stuff.
badbagger 07-27-2010, 08:42 PM makes the corbin a 2nd choice
pdsmith 07-31-2010, 12:58 AM I have the quick release rear rest and It takes 30 seconds to remove the existing rear backrest if I don't bolt it in. I am thinking of adding the trunk if it is quick release for longer trips with my significant other,
cocheese72 07-31-2010, 09:57 AM makes the corbin a 2nd choice
I saw it. They made it to small though.
pdsmith 08-01-2010, 10:50 AM I'd like to add this trunk but I din't think it is worth the $1750 for it.
gulliverstoe 08-04-2010, 08:32 PM 1750.00 here in tucson...and it is not a lot of money...it is way too much f-n money...
mjw930 08-09-2010, 02:04 PM 1750.00 here in tucson...and it is not a lot of money...it is way too much f-n money...
It's not if you want a real top case and not a hacked together aftermarket hard bag.
Go price a top case and all the mounting hardware required for quick release on the Harley site then add to the price for lights and integrated stereo speakers and see what it comes to?
Sean Edmunds 08-09-2010, 02:36 PM It's not if you want a real top case and not a hacked together aftermarket hard bag.
Go price a top case and all the mounting hardware required for quick release on the Harley site then add to the price for lights and integrated stereo speakers and see what it comes to?
I don't know where you come form but where I come from $1750 is A LOT of money! The price of accessories for the Victory's is ridiculous. $150 for a cord to connect an iPod? $499 for a luggage rack? $770 for rider and passenger backrests?
And PLEASE don't use the "Well go to H-D and see what their accessories cost" argument because everyone knows H-D stands for HUNDRED DOLLAR.
The problem with anything is that it's worth whatever someone will pay for it and enough people reach for their wallets without giving it a second thought.
I like my Cross Country, I am glad I bought it and I did not go into the purchase blind to accessory costs, but the only reason I did buy my XC was that the dealer cut me a pretty sweet deal on the accessories I wanted at the time of purchase. Otherwise I probably wouldn't have bought it.
mjw930 08-09-2010, 03:11 PM I didn't say it wasn't a lot of money. What I said is you get what you pay for.
Yes, some of their prices are crazy but you always have the choice of not buying them. Polaris uses a pretty standard pricing policy so you can be pretty sure the list prices they advertise reflect their cost of manufacturing. While the price if the backrest and luggage rack seem very high set them side by side with a cheaper product and compare what you get. That iPod cable includes specialized electronics that Victory has to OEM, figure the parts and licensing cost them 25% of list, they mark it up, then the dealer marks it up and you get the $150 price. Price out a factory supported, full featured iPod interface for BMW, VW or Ford for that matter and see how many time $150 they cost.
And yes, comparing it to the H-D equivalent is appropriate since there are very few other companies producing a comparable product.
I have a garage full of aftermarket crap that looks to be a better buy but after the fact proved to be lame in comparison to the factory accessory. Just because there is a lot of crap out there for Harley's doesn't mean the Victory parts are overpriced.
Face it, this ain't a Honda Shadow, it's going to cost Harley dollars to accessorize it.
cocheese72 08-09-2010, 05:18 PM I didn't say it wasn't a lot of money. What I said is you get what you pay for.
Yes, some of their prices are crazy but you always have the choice of not buying them. Polaris uses a pretty standard pricing policy so you can be pretty sure the list prices they advertise reflect their cost of manufacturing. While the price if the backrest and luggage rack seem very high set them side by side with a cheaper product and compare what you get. That iPod cable includes specialized electronics that Victory has to OEM, figure the parts and licensing cost them 25% of list, they mark it up, then the dealer marks it up and you get the $150 price. Price out a factory supported, full featured iPod interface for BMW, VW or Ford for that matter and see how many time $150 they cost.
And yes, comparing it to the H-D equivalent is appropriate since there are very few other companies producing a comparable product.
I have a garage full of aftermarket crap that looks to be a better buy but after the fact proved to be lame in comparison to the factory accessory. Just because there is a lot of crap out there for Harley's doesn't mean the Victory parts are overpriced.
Face it, this ain't a Honda Shadow, it's going to cost Harley dollars to accessorize it.
It is way over priced, they are gouging both the well off folks that pay that, and the others that are buried in debt but have allot a bling to go with it.
Yes it is nice, yes it is better that the after market, yes it is worth more, the problem is not that much. They should have put a pocket or tray in the fairing, plug the IPOD straight in there, and used the IPOD to change the songs. Charge $5 for the cable then.
mjw930 08-09-2010, 05:30 PM It is way over priced, they are gouging both the well off folks that pay that, and the others that are buried in debt but have allot a bling to go with it.
Yes it is nice, yes it is better that the after market, yes it is worth more, the problem is not that much. They should have put a pocket or tray in the fairing, plug the IPOD straight in there, and used the IPOD to change the songs. Charge $5 for the cable then.
You can do that, there's a plug in the faring that you can tap into and run a $5 cable to your handlebar so you aren't required to buy the $150 cable package to listen to an iPod if you don't want to. I wanted it hidden and integrated so I bought the parts. I also bought the integrated CB and antenna and sure, I could have done it for less with something strapped to the handlebars but I wanted integrated. It's entirely your choice, don't go claiming that Victory is gouging when you have NO IDEA what it cost them to engineer, manufacture and distribute the part.
cocheese72 08-09-2010, 05:50 PM It's entirely your choice, don't go claiming that Victory is gouging when you have NO IDEA what it cost them to engineer, manufacture and distribute the part.
OK fine, if Vic has $149 of cost worked up in that cable with all their R&D, engineers and so on, probably making a buck on profit, that is cool. Luggage rack is some steel, dipped in chrome. Most everyone else out there seems to be able to do it for under $200.
Doesn't matter either way, I am a capitalist, they can charge whatever they figure you will give them. If it gives you an idea of markup, they are giving $5000 off select 2010 and 2009 Victory's. Do you assume they are taking a loss on those?
wesdalton 08-09-2010, 09:11 PM OK fine, if Vic has $149 of cost worked up in that cable with all their R&D, engineers and so on, probably making a buck on profit, that is cool. Luggage rack is some steel, dipped in chrome. Most everyone else out there seems to be able to do it for under $200.
Doesn't matter either way, I am a capitalist, they can charge whatever they figure you will give them. If it gives you an idea of markup, they are giving $5000 off select 2010 and 2009 Victory's. Do you assume they are taking a loss on those?
I think everyone is entitled to make a profit. How ever, Vic accessories are on the high end. And to be honest with you any of the chrome stuff I have purchased from Vic for my 2010 XC is definitely some of the weakest light weight poor chromed items I have ever bought. If you want quality in metal chromed items look at kewlmetal, witchdoctors, and anything Kuryakyn makes the Vic stuff look second rate. And while you are looking at that $1000.00 Factory passenger backrest with luggage rack, try to get someone from Vic or their dealers to give you a carrying Capacity of their luggage rack. I love my XC. My local dealer has been great! But I have not got anything good to say about Vic's customer support after the purchase. I am amazed that after having the factory luggage rack available to purchase for a year now they can't give you a carrying capacity. If you open the saddle bags they have a 25 lb. maximum sticker on the bags. I thing that there is a weak link somewhere on the 2010 X bikes and they are not giving the capacity for fear of the possibility of doing a factory call back to make them up to the 2011 X Bikes. If you check into it you will see that you have to buy an optional support bracket to carry the trunk a 2011 comes with.
kevinx 08-09-2010, 10:13 PM OK fine, if Vic has $149 of cost worked up in that cable with all their R&D, engineers and so on, probably making a buck on profit, that is cool. Luggage rack is some steel, dipped in chrome. Most everyone else out there seems to be able to do it for under $200.
Doesn't matter either way, I am a capitalist, they can charge whatever they figure you will give them. If it gives you an idea of markup, they are giving $5000 off select 2010 and 2009 Victory's. Do you assume they are taking a loss on those?
Most made to fit backrests, and racks for the X bikes will run you over $600 in the aftermarket. Still low compared to the Vic cost, but well above the $200 you speak to.
The $5000 you reference is more then a little confusing. The number includes the rebate, military discount, and the SAVINGS from the low interest financing. So basically the discount is closer to $1500 for civilians, and $2500 for military; if you do not qualify for the low interest rate[775 Beacon] As for Vic selling at a loss. Right now they are pretty much at a loss on all 08 models. They have not been paid for them, and are carrying them on their own ledger. So they are pushing interest out the door every day. Really the only people making a buck on the hold overs is GE Capital. Collecting floor plan from dealers, and interest from Vic to service debt.
iCrush 08-09-2010, 10:46 PM I have been reading all the junk on this board and other motorcycle B-Boards about the price of OEM accessories and repair service. If you have ever worked retail, you know what is going on. I worked for a major electronics retailer for over 11 years. Here is what you need to know.
When you buy the main unit, let’s say an HP printer, the retailer makes about 1% margin, if that much. Why do you think the ink cartridge is so high? They are making their money on the ink. They don’t make anything on the printer, unless you also buy the USB cable that is not included. Why is the cable not included, so the retailer can have a chance of making a buck, or in most cases about 300% margin. That is right the money is made in the accessories. The sales person will tell you that including the cable will increase the cost and what if you already have the cable, you have paid for something that you have no use for.
So let’s apply this to a motorcycle. The Victory Cross Country has an MSRP of $17,999. So let’s apply 5% margin, which is $900 in margin, not profit. After they cover their overhead they might be lucky to have $200-$250, again if that much. Multiply that by the number of bikes they sell in a month and you can see why the cost of OEM accessories and the cost of the service is as high as it is. That is why you get a better price from the service guy around the corner. The service guy around the corner does not have a building full of unsold new bikes that they are paying interest on each month, sales and administrative people to make sure all your needs are met and there are no issues legalities of your purchase.
Remember, motorcycles are not link soda, candy bars, or beer. Not everyone wants or can afford a motorcycle. The demand is low and the cost is high. Think of what it would be like to purchase a six pack of beer, if you had to pass a test, pay insurance, and license it. They cost would be just as high, and not everyone would purchase the product.
Cut the dealer some slack and remember you purchased the bike, no one made you buy it. You don’t like the cost of things that are involved, then sell the bike. Stop crying about it every time you need a tire changed or want to add a piece of chrome.
kevinx 08-09-2010, 11:21 PM Dealer makes more on the bike then the accessories. Vic gives us a pretty small margin to work with on that stuff. However they have removed a lot of content so you are definatly right about giving the dealer more things to sell
wesdalton 08-09-2010, 11:51 PM I have been reading all the junk on this board and other motorcycle B-Boards about the price of OEM accessories and repair service. If you have ever worked retail, you know what is going on. I worked for a major electronics retailer for over 11 years. Here is what you need to know.
When you buy the main unit, let’s say an HP printer, the retailer makes about 1% margin, if that much. Why do you think the ink cartridge is so high? They are making their money on the ink. They don’t make anything on the printer, unless you also buy the USB cable that is not included. Why is the cable not included, so the retailer can have a chance of making a buck, or in most cases about 300% margin. That is right the money is made in the accessories. The sales person will tell you that including the cable will increase the cost and what if you already have the cable, you have paid for something that you have no use for.
So let’s apply this to a motorcycle. The Victory Cross Country has an MSRP of $17,999. So let’s apply 5% margin, which is $900 in margin, not profit. After they cover their overhead they might be lucky to have $200-$250, again if that much. Multiply that by the number of bikes they sell in a month and you can see why the cost of OEM accessories and the cost of the service is as high as it is. That is why you get a better price from the service guy around the corner. The service guy around the corner does not have a building full of unsold new bikes that they are paying interest on each month, sales and administrative people to make sure all your needs are met and there are no issues legalities of your purchase.
Remember, motorcycles are not link soda, candy bars, or beer. Not everyone wants or can afford a motorcycle. The demand is low and the cost is high. Think of what it would be like to purchase a six pack of beer, if you had to pass a test, pay insurance, and license it. They cost would be just as high, and not everyone would purchase the product.
Cut the dealer some slack and remember you purchased the bike, no one made you buy it. You don’t like the cost of things that are involved, then sell the bike. Stop crying about it every time you need a tire changed or want to add a piece of chrome.
Once again I would like to add that my complaint isn't about the price of their accessories. It is about the poor quality of the chrome, and the lack of any follow up or information as to the durability and capacity of their OEM luggage rack.
As far as any retail experience, I owned and operated a Marine store that sold boats and snowmobiles from 1965 until 1990. I Sold the business and now I am a general contractor that stills deals in a retail business. It may have changed some from when I got out of it. When I quit selling Ski Doo snowmobiles, a close competitor to Polaris, The margin on the machine was 25% (a far difference of the 1% you mention) You would get free floor plan for up to 6 months before you had to spend any of your own money on the inventory. Now most cross bikes have sold at near retail so on my cross country @ $18500.00 (upgrade paint color) times 25% the dealer should have grossed around $4650.00 the dealer charged prep and license fees above that price. Now lets talk about parts and accessories, again when I sold them they had 40% markup. so for example for my Passenger backrest and luggage rack @ $1000.00 list, with a 40% margin, the dealer should have grossed $400.00 profit. Not bad for a phone call to Polaris to order. Again I will say the dealer needs to make money. Polaris needs to make money. They need to make money so when I talk to my dealer and he doesn't know the capacity of the $1000.00 backrest/luggage rack SOMEONE at POLARIS WILL.
That is my COMPLAINT. So you with all your retail experience just keep on buying the ink for your 1% marked up printer. I have never complained about the price my dealer charges for service. (almost $100.00 per hour). His service is excellent. As far as the accessories and parts from Polaris, I do think they are on the high side on price, and on the low side on quality and structural design. If you would like to compare backrests, go look at a factory backrest for a Suzuki C50 Cost around 250.00 Thickness of the material over 200% more that the Victory. Weight Capacity 200lbs. Victory, $500.00 1/2 the thickness, no comparison to the quality of the welds and chrome, the vics looks like a junior high school welding class did the work. The chrome on the bottom side is dull and it is only 6 month old. Weight Capacity I don't know but I will ask the tooth fairy tonight I might get a answer:ltr::ltr::ltr:
mjw930 08-10-2010, 07:43 AM You do know that the backrest and rack are made by Kuryakyn, right? And a 200lb rating on a luggage rack or backrest, that pure BS! 20 lbs is more like it.
mjw930 08-10-2010, 08:00 AM Dealer makes more on the bike then the accessories. Vic gives us a pretty small margin to work with on that stuff. However they have removed a lot of content so you are definatly right about giving the dealer more things to sell
Really? It was my understanding that the margins on the bikes are between 10% - 15% Depending on model, incentives, etc. Margins on accessories are in the 40% range +-10%. While the dollars made on the bike are higher the margins are not.
Sean Edmunds 08-10-2010, 08:08 AM Why is it that Polaris has a $50 mark up on the GPS? MSRP for that GPS is $799. With very little effort I found it for sale for $639, yet Polaris wants $849 for it? Why because it has dealers preprogrammed in? And then you need the mount and the harness and so on.
I do not believe the statement that the dealers or Victory make all of their money on the accessories. If that was true I would not have gotten both backrests and the luggage rack for $700 when I bought my bike!
My problem is that when you see a new product come to market the manufacturer inevitably prices it high. If it doesn't sell well the first year they will drop the price the next year. Maybe if people weren't so awestruck by the H-D brand they wouldn't pay $20,000 for one of their bikes and then their bikes and accessories would be more reasonably priced and all other manufacturers would fall inline with that.
It's no different than Hummers, Cadillacs, or SUVs. Modern Hummers (H3s and so on) were nothing more than reskinned Chevy's yet people paid a premium for them because they were "MUST HAVE" items for suburban warriors. Now every SUV and Crew Cab truck is priced to where the working stiff contractor or regular joe with a need for one of those vehicles has to take a second mortgage to buy one, and every soccer mom is driving around in one when a compact car would suit their needs as well.
Anyway, I love my bike and the fact that in this free country I live in I can complain about the cost of overpriced accessories without someone telling me to sell my bike and quit complaining. cheers
Sean
wesdalton 08-10-2010, 08:26 AM You do know that the backrest and rack are made by Kuryakyn, right? And a 200lb rating on a luggage rack or backrest, that pure BS! 20 lbs is more like it.
It may be but it is made to vics requested specs. and it is vics QC people that accept it. Look at any Kuryakyn's own branded accessories, if you can't see any difference you better get some glasses. You don't even need to see, just feel the welds on the bottom of the vic luggage rack and backrest, if they used a grinder to smooth them out thy forgot to put the grinding disc in it. Don't get me wrong I am totally happy with my vic. but I don't wear blinders or rose colored glasses and totally over look areas that they need to improve on:crzy:
gwritesel 08-11-2010, 12:44 AM You can do that, there's a plug in the faring that you can tap into and run a $5 cable to your handlebar so you aren't required to buy the $150 cable package to listen to an iPod if you don't want to. I wanted it hidden and integrated so I bought the parts. I also bought the integrated CB and antenna and sure, I could have done it for less with something strapped to the handlebars but I wanted integrated. It's entirely your choice, don't go claiming that Victory is gouging when you have NO IDEA what it cost them to engineer, manufacture and distribute the part.
the plug you speak of is it inside the fairing,is it Ipod or standard stereo jack.I want to be able to plug my J&m cb aux cable in so I can listen to the radio through my headset.
CycleOpsUSA 08-26-2010, 09:30 PM Hey there gang, just a heads up that we'll soon be introducing our CC and CR billet trunk racks in the same two offerings as we make for the Vision trunks. We'll also soon after be offering them for the backrests too.
Hope you like 'em...
Will be offered in triple show chrome, SSG metallic, gloss or matte black, pearl white SSG metallic, ocean blue SSG metallic, midnight cherry SSG metallic, anniversary red SSG metallic, and custom colors or finishes too.
See them all on our site at www.CycleOpsUSA.com in all styles, colors, and finishes. Here's a sampling...
RETRO in SSG Metallic
SSG metallic
Winged V in Gloss Black
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Retro in Midnight Cherry Metallic
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Winged V in Ocean Blue Metallic
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Winged V in Chrome
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Retro in Chrome
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mad dog 08-26-2010, 10:30 PM You guys at CycleOpsUSA deserve two thumbs up for your Victory accessories. Top quality all the way.
Those are some quality racks Cycleops!!
I know the ebay trunks don't hold a candle to the Victory trunks but if someone wanted to put together rack and trunk from ebay like I did for my 99 E. Glide it would give you that extra storage if you just used it once in a while.
FWIW this is what I did for around $300.
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I bet it wouldn't look too bad on a CR or CC with one of Cycleops' racks.
If I end up selling the HD down the road 'cause I always want to ride the Vic; I might put one together for my JP for long trips. It just pops off when I get to my final destination anyway.
CycleOpsUSA 08-27-2010, 08:59 AM Thank you both very much, it's always great to hear such positive comments, and especially from guys with very astute taste I might add. thumb up
I'll forward your kind words to all, from the CAD designer, to the prototyper, to the sanding grunt, to the sculptor, to the shipping dept, the receptionist... but hey, wait a minute... I can't... if someone saw me talking to myself like that they'd think I were schitzo and call in the guys with those big butterfly nets! On that note I'll just thank you again from the whole fab shop here... me, myself, and I! :crzy:
white_bear 09-05-2010, 02:49 AM The cycleopsusa racks look good. Of course, everything looks good when new.
I bought a rack for my present and old bike that looked good. I used it and put stuff on it. One day I needed to send a box UPS and rode over to UPS. The cardboard box scratched the chrome finish. I have never been able to buff out the scratches and make it look good again.
Have the COU guys tried doing stuff with their racks? How do they hold up to real world use? Will it scratch the powder coat/chrome? Any remarks or reports as to the OEM Vic racks when being used and not just looked at? How does it hold up? Curious.
On another note, what I put on the bike for (fishing) trips is what it is - I don't weigh it. Sure, I could get a 3 pound tent, but the one I have is 7 pounds, so what? Just strap it on with the other junk and go. No, I won't put a 95 pound alaskan outfitters tent and woodstove on, so I am somewhat reasonable. It doesn't seem to be relevant what a "weight limit" is - within some sort of reason. If the saddlebag is caving in becasue of what I strap on it, that might be a clue to too much weight IMO. I had everything just fine, then had to add 30 pounds of fresh salmon - I made it work, but it took effort and the reward was the fish at home.
eta moya dva rubles
CycleOpsUSA 09-05-2010, 12:47 PM The cycleopsusa racks look good. Of course, everything looks good when new.
I bought a rack for my present and old bike that looked good. I used it and put stuff on it. One day I needed to send a box UPS and rode over to UPS. The cardboard box scratched the chrome finish. I have never been able to buff out the scratches and make it look good again.
Have the COU guys tried doing stuff with their racks? How do they hold up to real world use? Will it scratch the powder coat/chrome? Any remarks or reports as to the OEM Vic racks when being used and not just looked at? How does it hold up? Curious.
On another note, what I put on the bike for (fishing) trips is what it is - I don't weigh it. Sure, I could get a 3 pound tent, but the one I have is 7 pounds, so what? Just strap it on with the other junk and go. No, I won't put a 95 pound alaskan outfitters tent and woodstove on, so I am somewhat reasonable. It doesn't seem to be relevant what a "weight limit" is - within some sort of reason. If the saddlebag is caving in becasue of what I strap on it, that might be a clue to too much weight IMO. I had everything just fine, then had to add 30 pounds of fresh salmon - I made it work, but it took effort and the reward was the fish at home.
eta moya dva rubles
I hear your pain and was one step ahead of that when I came out with our trunk rack line Our racks are without compare, and I don't say that lightly. My chromer is the best I've ever seen. Now granted, not all chrome is created equal, but care by the owner is important when loading, and with what contacts the rack. This is precicely why I also offer custom fit vinyl stretch over covers for our racks with a soft underside which will not marr the chrome or powder coat. I didn't go to great lengths and you guys to go through the expense without a way to keep the finish in show condition. Designed to allow for full access to all perimeter bungee points from below so you don't lose tie down options. Trust me, it's all well thought out.
The Retro cover
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Winged V cover
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Jagular 09-06-2010, 11:28 AM Very cool.
Great idea Will! My thought was a little different. I was thinking some permanent raised hard rubber strips on the surface at well thought out locations, so as to keep the beauty of the racks, would keep the powdercoat and the chrome looking good.
I'm not sure how they would be mounted though. There are some new high tech adhesives that might work pretty good. That way it would not increase machining costs and could be added to existing racks.
Your cover makes better sense though.
CycleOpsUSA 09-13-2010, 11:19 PM Thanks guys. I try to cover my bases and think beyond the part. When I saw the first ones come out of chrome I knew I had to design covers to protect them. If you can tell by the pics, my chromer is absolutely the best I have ever seen, plus we go to extra lengths (and expense) to make the finish flawless and like a mirror, unlike the factory racks where you see 'pulls' and striations all over them from the cheap, 1/2 assed Chinese polisher/chromer Kuryakyn uses. I'll betcha they're not even copper plated under the nickel. On ours, after fine sanding and mirror polishing they get plated with nickel, then buffed, then copper, then buffed, then nickel, buffed, and then chromed and final buffed. This buffing in between each process is a lot of why my chrome parts are pricey compared to the normal 'triple chrome' process which is dip in nickel, dip in copper, dip in nickel, dip in chromium, buff, and bye bye plating. When I say our chrome is Triple Show Chrome plated, it truly is, while most others use the term very, very loosely for obvious reasons.
As for the covers that protect this finish, their soft underside will not harm your finish, be it chrome or powder coat and the topside is a soft, heavy duty stretchable top grade marine vinyl, the same as we use on our passenger pads and backrests, so they 'hug' nicely. The vinyl surface is 'grippy', not slick and smooth and will hold your gear firmly in place without it sliding around. Heavy bungees are sewn in the perimeters for a secure fit, tight with no wrinkles as you can see in the photos.
The Winged V utilizes wing tip pockets to assure a clean fit and access to the bungee points from underneath. The Retro uses a full perimeter bungee and two hook and loop straps to snug the fit of the front side to perfection and allows full use of all bungee points from below as well. On and off in seconds, and easily rolled up and stored in a saddle bag.
CycleOpsUSA 09-30-2010, 02:21 PM Well, all the components are here from the machinists and my test fit CC/CR trunk lid should be here as early as today, so these should be going to the finishers by mid/end of next week at the latest.
Here's a few teaser pics of the first of the new CC/CR passenger backrest racks to be welded up. I'll post finished pics next week after I get them back from the chromer. Hope you like 'em...
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CycleOpsUSA 10-08-2010, 06:51 PM CC/CR backrest racks in gloss black are now in stock and ready to ship. Chrome to start shipping mid-end of this coming week. List is $389, but the member price in Gloss Black powder coat is only $350.10. And in chrome $499 list, but only $450.10 to members.
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CC/CR trunk racks in both styles also just today went to the chromer and the powder coater, so they'll be about a week behind for chrome, but will have them in black ready to ship by mid week.
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dirtdobber 10-09-2010, 09:30 AM My opinion would be if Victory is wanting the xc bikes to become a good seller they need to look at their accessory prices.
The back rest and luggage rack price is well out of margin. HD sells a lot of accessories. Us hd owners refer to HD= hundred dollars
The ultra tour-pak is $924 color matched but does not include backrest, speaker pods, speakers, or mount for the tour-pak.
I have several bikes and on different forums. I see a lot of complaints about prices, available parts
As a new owner of a cc I am in disgust with their accessory prices.
A friend was interested in a cc so I took mine over for him to check it out. The first thing he said was they think too much for their stuff. He then wanted to buy my Ultra. We are working what a deal we both can live with.
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I agree about the Vic OEM accessory prices. I'm still in shock about them as well.
Sometimes you can get a fair amount off on some items through Surdyke Motorsports (http://www.surdykemotorsports.com/eshopdetail_cat_6780.Pure_Victory_Gear.htm).
Edit: Well; it looks like they have put their prices to match all of the other OEM Vic prices. It might be worth giving them a call to see if they can do better over the phone.
CycleOpsUSA 10-14-2010, 08:42 PM Sorry to keep you guys waiting, here are the backrest racks in our signature triple show chrome...
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Now rhis is what true triple show chrome is supposed to look like... flawlessly polished to mirror smoothness and then polished after each plating layer. This is what adds a lot to my parts' prices, but I'm a firm believer in you get what you pay for, especially when it's all made and finished proudly right here in the USA!
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The welds aren't too shabby either...
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CycleOpsUSA 10-16-2010, 08:06 PM New spy photos just in...hope you like 'em!
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Oh, and BTW, yes, we did also powder coat his backrest for him to match.
Yeah, the price it steep; however, you can buy that Jap/China (Harley Crap) and get a lower price. How about supporting things made in the USA. I know, I know, those of you who live in the northeast are used to paying high taxes so they can spread the wealth to those who won't work. But the choice is yours.
Jason 03-31-2011, 11:29 AM I just recently put the trunk on my '10 CC. The uplift kit was to say the least 'interesting' to install. All together install took about an hour ish. The trunk = lots more sound from the radio and the wife loves the fit. Size = wow.. I can fit 2 full face helmets plus more.
Anyone know anything regarding the luggage racks for atop the trunk? I have seen the OEM rack but looking for something a little more custom...
Cheers-
white_bear 03-31-2011, 12:12 PM The trunk = lots more sound from the radio and the wife loves the fit. Size = wow.. I can fit 2 full face helmets plus more.
Anyone know anything regarding the luggage racks for atop the trunk? I have seen the OEM rack but looking for something a little more custom...
Cheers-
Open your eyes and go back to page 3 of this thread. CycleOps makes some nice looking stuff for the top of the trunk. I can't imagine ever needed a rack on the trunk - with the XC giant saddlebags and trunk there is ALOT of room for stuff.
For Others:
If you are pissing and moaning about the price of a Vic OEM trunk, TS. You didn't do your homework or preparation when you bought the bike. I negotiated for 25% off everything I buy at the dealer, so I bought the trunk for $1365 plus tax. That is only a few hundred more than a backrest and luggage rack. Works for me. A Cross Country ain't a Suzuki.thumb up
The Vic OEM rack is a very high quality unit. I like it for trips. I pop it off when I stay in town. Those LED lights and speakers are just awesome!
Jason 03-31-2011, 12:47 PM [QUOTE=white_bear;26125]Open your eyes and go back to page 3 of this thread. CycleOps makes some nice looking stuff for the top of the trunk. I can't imagine ever needed a rack on the trunk - with the XC giant saddlebags and trunk there is ALOT of room for stuff.
Obviously I went over the CycleOps.. Wondering if anyone has any other ideas.. And for the long trips the luggage rack atop the trunk is handy for small items ie: tent, sleeping bag, mini-cooler... etc.
ulmarkie 03-31-2011, 12:59 PM I don't know where you come form but where I come from $1750 is A LOT of money! The price of accessories for the Victory's is ridiculous. $150 for a cord to connect an iPod? $499 for a luggage rack? $770 for rider and passenger backrests?
And PLEASE don't use the "Well go to H-D and see what their accessories cost" argument because everyone knows H-D stands for HUNDRED DOLLAR.
The problem with anything is that it's worth whatever someone will pay for it and enough people reach for their wallets without giving it a second thought.
I like my Cross Country, I am glad I bought it and I did not go into the purchase blind to accessory costs, but the only reason I did buy my XC was that the dealer cut me a pretty sweet deal on the accessories I wanted at the time of purchase. Otherwise I probably wouldn't have bought it.
I'm new here but thought i would chime in. Teh trunk was pretty expenxive for me too. i found a saddleman bag that fits on the rack great and i think looks good
wesdalton 03-31-2011, 01:27 PM [QUOTE=white_bear;26125]Open your eyes and go back to page 3 of this thread. CycleOps makes some nice looking stuff for the top of the trunk. I can't imagine ever needed a rack on the trunk - with the XC giant saddlebags and trunk there is ALOT of room for stuff.
Obviously I went over the CycleOps.. Wondering if anyone has any other ideas.. And for the long trips the luggage rack atop the trunk is handy for small items ie: tent, sleeping bag, mini-cooler... etc.
You may want to check the load capacity on the trunk before you plan on putting the additional weight on top. I test drove one with the trunk. Loved the additional sound, but I thought it changed the way the bike felt (as in top heavy). Just my opinion:)
Jason 03-31-2011, 01:56 PM [quote=Jason;26134]
You may want to check the load capacity on the trunk before you plan on putting the additional weight on top. I test drove one with the trunk. Loved the additional sound, but I thought it changed the way the bike felt (as in top heavy). Just my opinion:)
I too agree that it feels a bit heavier.. I adjusted my air ride to a much firmer ride and that helped the feel a lot. With the air ride suspension tuned up it feels a lot better in the turns.. Then again when it comes to driving aggressivly take the trunk off and play..
Obviously I went over the CycleOps.. Wondering if anyone has any other ideas.. And for the long trips the luggage rack atop the trunk is handy for small items ie: tent, sleeping bag, mini-cooler... etc.
Well, no one has a better rack than CycleOps, period. They are the best of the best. Unfortunately my income isn't so I've come up with a less expensive way of accomplishing the goal of having a good functional rack. This is a standard HD rack I had bought for the HD in a previous post in this thread but never mounted. I've since traded in that HD for an XC. It's no where near as nice as the CycleOps racks but it will do for my needs. I've ordered some 5/8" risers for the legs so I can make certain adjustments where I think I'll need it by doing a little grinding on the legs so the legs sit flat on the rubber washers on the trunk. It's just mocked up on the trunk in these pics.
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CycleOpsUSA 03-31-2011, 03:33 PM Jason, I surely have what you're looking for, and if you want a one off custom that's doable two if one of my three styles don't light your fire.
I appreciate you guys mentioning my racks, and having not posted here in a bit there's also a new addition besides the Retro and the Winged V. So without further adeu, and while speaking of lighting your fire, here's the new Flame version. These will be a bit different from my cnc'd Retro and Winged V racks in the sense that I will be shaping the flames with a few hours of hand working all the edges for a truly custom look. The hand working adds to the look, but it also adds $50 to the cost of this over the others.
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And Jason, if you want to see more go to my site's X bike rack page at: http://www.cycleopsusa.com/custombillet.html#cc
Contact me for the 10% discount code if you want to order one.
cocheese72 03-31-2011, 07:29 PM A Cross Country ain't a Suzuki.thumb up
I hear that line of talk allot. Only it's HD riders talking about Victory.
dirtdobber 03-31-2011, 09:25 PM As soon as I finish my VTX project I am hoping to get 1 of CycleOpsUSA backrest racks.
I have plenty of bikes with hard trunks.
I like the looks of the XC without a trunk. The XC also looks good with 1.
All my $ has been tied up on this VTX project. Getting closer though. As soon as I can get the front end chromed I hope to get started putting it back together. My wheels should be here in a few days.
Then I can considerate on the XC.
wesdalton 03-31-2011, 10:12 PM I hear that line of talk allot. Only it's HD riders talking about Victory.
And coming from a person that owned both a Suzuki boulevard, and a Victory Cross Country, The strength and capacity and chrome work on the Suzuki is head and shoulders above the high priced Victory Stuff. That being said I love the Vic. But they could use some improvement in the quality of the Chrome and strength of their luggage racks and back rests. The aftermarket venders on this site have them beat hands down, in my opinion:)
Yeah, the price it steep; however, you can buy that Jap/China (Harley Crap) and get a lower price. How about supporting things made in the USA. I know, I know, those of you who live in the northeast are used to paying high taxes so they can spread the wealth to those who won't work. But the choice is yours.
Dude!!! WTF MAN!!
Do you mind if I ask what your monthly income is? I kinda feel like I have a right to after this post!
Top: I've read your previous posts and agree with some of them but this one is way out in left field to me. Not saying it's bad (yet) but I would like some clarification if you don't mind bro.
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porchdawg 04-01-2011, 03:08 PM I usually take the trunk off when GF is not rding with me. I agree that it does afffect the center of gravity and if there is a stiff cross wind it feels like a dang sail. Having said that, glad I bought an XC.
As for the cost of accessories, I think part of our (Americans) problems is that we have this dang WalMart mentality. We want everything as cheap as we can get it, which means manufactureres have to go places like China to get the price down. While I cannot afford things I want for my XC right now, when I can, I will try to buy Made in USA and hope it helps keep a job in-country.
p.s. Anyone in the market for some quality guitars etc?
wesdalton 04-01-2011, 08:29 PM I usually take the trunk off when GF is not rding with me. I agree that it does afffect the center of gravity and if there is a stiff cross wind it feels like a dang sail. Having said that, glad I bought an XC.
As for the cost of accessories, I think part of our (Americans) problems is that we have this dang WalMart mentality. We want everything as cheap as we can get it, which means manufactureres have to go places like China to get the price down. While I cannot afford things I want for my XC right now, when I can, I will try to buy Made in USA and hope it helps keep a job in-country.
p.s. Anyone in the market for some quality guitars etc?
China, as opposed to Viet Nam or Indonesia? Not many of the after market parts for the Vic are from America. I would rather have them built in America also. But in the real world the quality of the product is not necessarily Dependant on the country it is built in.:confused:
ammo_umb 04-01-2011, 11:18 PM Wesdalton,
I agree completely; products made in other countries aren't necessarily inferior to products made for the USA. I would also prefer to use American made but it's really tough to find anything that is 100% American made.
By the way the bars work great, thanks for the awesome deal!
bobberx 04-01-2011, 11:54 PM I have the trunk on my 2011 lock came with it yes it is a quick release paint match your bike and the extra light and speakers are great-- when no passenger you unplug 1 wire at your side panel and qick release is just like the back rest considering back rest and luggage rack run you about 1000 and there is a dealer that having a sale right now it is 1349.99
wesdalton 04-02-2011, 12:45 AM ammo_umb,
You are welcome. They do make the bike more comfortable. It was a great day for a ride today in Utah, I hope you were able to go for a ride, I understand the weather is going to change.
Gravyo 04-04-2011, 11:14 AM Sean, The list price for the trunk is $1749.00. I talked my dealer into giving me 15% off for the trunk and upfit kit. Brought the price down to around $1485.00. A little easier to swallow, but I agree, still a lot of cash. Give it a shot.
cowboy78642 04-04-2011, 01:05 PM Most dealers will drop the price on the truck a little if you haggle with them. I think the trunk is pretty well made, and has lots of room, and de-taches easily. I like mine a lot. I did see a guy who put one of the cheaper aftermarket type trunks on a blue CC. Man, it really ruined the looks of the bike.
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