had my oil change today, cost $127 like W-O-W........What do you pay for an oil change?

Change Your Own Oil. It's Very Simple And It Costs Less Than Half As Much.

yes sir I'll be doing that next time

Here is a list of alternate oil filters with part #s
Hope it helps

Mobil: M1-110, M1-108
Purolator Pure-1: PL14610, PL14612
Bosch: 3300, 3323
Walmart SuperTech: ST7317
Amsoil: SMF-103, SMF-103C (chrome)
WIX: 51356, 51358
NAPA Gold 1356
Carquest: 85356
AC Delco: PF-2057
Motorcraft Long Life: FL-821
STP: S-02867
K&N: KN303
K&P : S-1 (Billet) S-1A (Black Anodized) S-1C (Chrome)

Purolator Pure-1: PL14610, PL14612 is the best filter out there. I did some internet research and found a guys site that showed all brands taken apart. Pure One is the winner! I used the long one. Advanced Auto has 'em for $7.
I am now running a K & P (http://www.kandpengineering.com/) reusable filter to save money over the long run. I got mine from Scott at Conquest Customs (http://www.conquestcustoms.com/).

I run Rotella T synthetic (blue jug) goes for about 20 bucks a gallon at Walmart. Buy 2 gallons and you have 2 oil changes worth of oil.

I have 2 2 "X 8" pieces of wood doubled up and angle cut to roll the bike onto to get it high enough to get the oil change pan under the bike. I put one in front of the front wheel and one in front of the back wheel and ride the bike up onto them. Also I have a square piece of 2" X 8" doubled up to set the kick stand on. I didn't take a picture of it but the pic I took of the ramp boards gives you an idea of how to make them.
I have a 2002 Classic Deluxe so I have been doing this for years.

You are looking at $54 for 2 oil changes instead of $100 for 2 changes if you buy the Victory kit or $200+ to pay a dealer.
It's a no brainer.

What grade do you use. Ive been thinking about trying the rotella, but can only find 15-40 at the local wal mart and advanced auto didn't have the 20-40 either.

Changed oil, went with the Rotella 5-40 full syn. and the fram 7317 oil filter. Bike is quieter and shifts smoother/quieter. Anxious to see what it looks like in 3k. cost less than $30.

What grade do you use. Ive been thinking about trying the rotella, but can only find 15-40 at the local wal mart and advanced auto didn't have the 20-40 either.

Full synthetic 5W-40

Changed oil, went with the Rotella 5-40 full syn. and the fram 7317 oil filter. Bike is quieter and shifts smoother/quieter. Anxious to see what it looks like in 3k. cost less than $30.

I wouldn't use the Fram in the future. They were rated the worst on that website I found that I mentioned in my first post.

Yes, Fram is a terrible filter. Not only in construction quality, but it only has about a 36-42 Micron Rating Nominal. The human eye can see to approximately 40 Micron.

65% of wear caused by dirt is caused by particles in the 5-25 Micron Range.

You cannot buy a better filter than the AMSOIL EA Series which is conservatively rated at 15 Micron Absolute.

There are 2 filters for a Vic. EAOM-103 and EAO-13 depending on model.

Bob

I have heard rumors of full synthetic causing clutch slip. I have my first oil change comming up and was wondering how true this was (I personally dont see it) The book calls for a semi-synthetic, but I like a full myself. I will start with a semi though as the previous owner ran conventional. I am on a 2002 92VC

Any of you guys on a 92ci ever had a problem with full synthetic and clutch slip?

I have heard rumors of full synthetic causing clutch slip. I have my first oil change comming up and was wondering how true this was (I personally dont see it) The book calls for a semi-synthetic, but I like a full myself. I will start with a semi though as the previous owner ran conventional. I am on a 2002 92VC

Any of you guys on a 92ci ever had a problem with full synthetic and clutch slip?

Yes, people have had a problem... When using an automotive or diesel oil with the wrong specifications.

I recommend: REGARDLESS of Brand, Synthetic or Petroleum, a Motorcycle Specific oil with a JASO MA Rating, better yet, MA 2, but Never MB. If anyone tells you there is no difference between auto/diesel and Motorcycle Specific oils, they are wrong and passing on bad information.

If a Motorcycle Specific oil is not used, an automotive oil with an API SG/SH Rating May be used. A higher API such as SJ, SL, SM MAY be used IF it has a JASO MA Rating.

Although, M/C Specific oils will usually have clutch performance additives and Anti-Rust and Corrosion Inhibitors that auto/diesel oils of even the proper spec do not have. Some M/C Specific oils will have a Higher TBN to fight acidity.

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I have been using the Rotella full syn for about 10k miles now and no problems. The 1st time I used it I was on a trip and went 5600 miles. changed it when I got home and it looked just slightly darker than when I put it in. Pulled my trailer over the Bighorn Mt. and over Beartooth Pass in WY/MT which is close to 11,000 ft. No slipping. Engine is quieter and shifts soooo much better. I have no personal experience with Amsoil, One guy told me it slipped one guy said the clutch was really"grabby" Maybe they weren't using the right stuff. Again, this is only what I was told. Alot of guys use it. I think next time I am going to look for the Mobil 1V-Twin oil. Hope this helps.
Bill

I have been using the Rotella full syn for about 10k miles now and no problems. The 1st time I used it I was on a trip and went 5600 miles. changed it when I got home and it looked just slightly darker than when I put it in. Pulled my trailer over the Bighorn Mt. and over Beartooth Pass in WY/MT which is close to 11,000 ft. No slipping. Engine is quieter and shifts soooo much better. I have no personal experience with Amsoil, One guy told me it slipped one guy said the clutch was really"grabby" Maybe they weren't using the right stuff. Again, this is only what I was told. Alot of guys use it. I think next time I am going to look for the Mobil 1V-Twin oil. Hope this helps.
Bill

Bill,

Mobil 1 V-Twin oil is a 20W-50 ... If you are going to use Mobil 1, Racing 4T is the 10W-40 which is what a Vic calls for.

Rotella has just recently changed as well and no longer has the Stand Alone CI-4 Rating. The new Rotella is a CJ-4 Plus and does have friction modifiers.

You will probably be quite Happy with Mobil 1 Racing 4T or AMSOIL MCF as they are True Synthetics where the Rotella is a HydroIsomerized oil. A good oil but still not a True PAO or Ester Based Synthetic.

We have a Forum Discount at the time and can put AMSOIL on your doorstep.

As for clutches slipping with AMSOIL. The only time I have seen clutch slippage or chatter is after people have used automotive oil, especially Mobil 1 EP. Usually a clean up with some Marvel Mystery oil solves the problem.

AMSOIL M/C Specific oils MCT, MCF and MCV have a JASO MA 2 Rating which is the highest clutch performance rating available today.

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How do the Amsoil SMF-103 and SMF-103C (chrome) filters differ from the EAOM-103 and EAO-13 filters you mention?

Thanks!

Although the SMF Filters are a TOP Tier Filter and still Superior to most filters on the market, new technology has come about.

That is one reason I am so against doing "Searches" on Forums. No New information would surface.

The SMF Filters were a Synthetic filter and 87% efficient @ 17 Microns.

The EA Series filters utilize a Patented Nano-Fiber media developed by Donaldson Corp. for the ground equipment used by the Military in the sand overseas.

AMSOIL is the only company to have this media for Motorcycles, cars and light trucks. By contract, not even Donaldson has it for those applications.

The media is conservatively rated at 15 Micron Absolute and is the most efficient filter you can buy. It also flows better than OEM Filters.

If you find someone that has some of the SMF Filters at a reasonable price, say like a few dollars, I wouldn't hesitate to pick them up and use them.

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Okay, thanks, Bob, I appreciate the info. I'm confused, though, about the EAO / EAOM applications. When I go to the Amsoil site, it doesn't have an Amsoil filter listed for my 2006 Vegas Jackpot. It only lists a Wix filter # 51356. Am I doing something wrong?

Thx, Bill

Okay, thanks, Bob, I appreciate the info. I'm confused, though, about the EAO / EAOM applications. When I go to the Amsoil site, it doesn't have an Amsoil filter listed for my 2006 Vegas Jackpot. It only lists a Wix filter # 51356. Am I doing something wrong?

Thx, Bill

No sir.. You are doing nothing wrong. I have questioned that myself as I have a Vic Dealership as a customer.. The 13 filter is slightly longer than the 103. I never got clarification on that but by cross referencing as you have done, The 13 is the match for the 51356 and the 103 is the match to a 51358.

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Okay, thanks, Bob, I appreciate the info. I'm confused, though, about the EAO / EAOM applications. When I go to the Amsoil site, it doesn't have an Amsoil filter listed for my 2006 Vegas Jackpot. It only lists a Wix filter # 51356. Am I doing something wrong?

Thx, Bill

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[QUOTE=Amsoil Dealer Group;3244]The 13 is the match for the 51358 and the 103 is the match to a 51358.

So neither is a match for the 51356, just both for the 51358?

Here is the skinny and tall of it. I have customers that have had major clutch slippage with Amsoil and Rotella after changing from Victory Oil. Victory Oil by the way is a SEMI synthetic and Victory only recommends SEMI synthetics.

Saying that, I also have customers that have had NO problems running Amsoil or Rotella.

There is a Victory owner in the latest Victory Riders Magazine that has 200,000 miles on his Vic and runs Amsoil exclusively.

Here is the skinny and tall of it. I have customers that have had major clutch slippage with Amsoil and Rotella after changing from Victory Oil. Victory Oil by the way is a SEMI synthetic and Victory only recommends SEMI synthetics.

Saying that, I also have customers that have had NO problems running Amsoil or Rotella.

There is a Victory owner in the latest Victory Riders Magazine that has 200,000 miles on his Vic and runs Amsoil exclusively.

Okay, thanks. So, is this just a trial and error thing or does it seem to be bike specific? In other words, from your experience, if riders with my specific model are having good luck with a particular oil, would that go for my bike as well or can bikes of the same model respond differently from the same oils?

I haven't noticed anything that is year or model specific. It seems some bikes are ok with it and some aren't.

[QUOTE=Amsoil Dealer Group;3244]The 13 is the match for the 51358 and the 103 is the match to a 51358.

So neither is a match for the 51356, just both for the 51358?

Sorry, Typo... 13 matches the 51356

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It was the first Victory to go 100,000 and did it with AMSOIL and the First to go 200,000 also with AMSOIL.

The clutch slippage problems are due to previously used oils. Usually the common denominator is Mobil 1 Automotive oil was used..

Why anyone would use an oil not designed for a wet clutch to save a couple bucks on a change is beyond me.

AMSOIL M/C oils have a JASO MA 2 Rating. The highest clutch performance rating available so the slippage is definitely not from AMSOIL.

I'd be curious as to what oil your "Dealer" came up with as none of the blend or Hydro-Cracked products from AMSOIL are recommended by corporate that I am aware of. That being said, I will be looking at Specs this afternoon.

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Just bought a 04 vegas with 9100 miles on it. I had a hd softail b4 this and changed my own oil i used valvoline 20w50 and stp oil filters...

Can anyone tell me a good filter and oil to use that will work with these bikes and i assume there is no primary fluid to change??? need to be able to get at autozone/walmart/napa i can go to dealer in town to get filter if that makes the most sense.

What about transmission?

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Just bought a 04 vegas with 9100 miles on it. I had a hd softail b4 this and changed my own oil i used valvoline 20w50 and stp oil filters...

Can anyone tell me a good filter and oil to use that will work with these bikes and i assume there is no primary fluid to change??? need to be able to get at autozone/walmart/napa i can go to dealer in town to get filter if that makes the most sense.

What about transmission?

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10W-40 Mobil 1 Racing 4T is an excellent oil and can be found like at Auto-Zone. Should be about $9.95 per qt.

Common sump on the bike so it uses the engine oil.

WIX 51358 (1358 NAPA Gold)

WIX 51356 is about 5/8" longer which some models took but the filters are the same internally as far as by-pass settings etc...so either will work as long as they fit.

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I used the rotella full synthetic in my 08 a couple times, it quieted the engine and it shifted better. Switched back to the vic oil because of extended warranty. I really don't like it and it is expensive for what it is.

wow so u just change the oil and thats it?? wac

I used the rotella full synthetic in my 08 a couple times, it quieted the engine and it shifted better. Switched back to the vic oil because of extended warranty. I really don't like it and it is expensive for what it is.

You do realize that, by law, they cannot make you use a specific brand.

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Just bought a 04 vegas with 9100 miles on it. I had a hd softail b4 this and changed my own oil i used valvoline 20w50 and stp oil filters...

Can anyone tell me a good filter and oil to use that will work with these bikes and i assume there is no primary fluid to change??? need to be able to get at autozone/walmart/napa i can go to dealer in town to get filter if that makes the most sense.

What about transmission?

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Try going back to the first page and reading what was posted. It will answer this question.

Yes, Fram is a terrible filter. Not only in construction quality, but it only has about a 36-42 Micron Rating Nominal. The human eye can see to approximately 40 Micron.

65% of wear caused by dirt is caused by particles in the 5-25 Micron Range.

You cannot buy a better filter than the AMSOIL EA Series which is conservatively rated at 15 Micron Absolute.

There are 2 filters for a Vic. EAOM-103 and EAO-13 depending on model.

Bob
Well put from an Amsoil dealer :)

Well put from an Amsoil dealer :)

Sounds like that might be a little sarcastic.

I have been in business Since 1972 and with AMSOIL Since 1984, so yeah, I know what I am talking about a little more than the average bear. OK, a lot more than the average bear.

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I went with rotella t6 now just need filter. ... ill swing by Napa and check there.

I read 2 threads on another forum. 1 said that the purolator pure 1 builds up to much pressure for a motorcycle pump, but purolator does make motorcycle filters. Another guy switched to amsoil and it made his clutch slip. switched back to vic oil and the problem went away. Not sure what is with amsoil, but some Vics are ok with it and some aren't.

I have a few Victory Dealerships that I sell to. The only problem we have been able to find with clutch slippage/chatter was when an automotive type oil such as Mobil 1 was used previously.

Have found this in Triumphs as well and Suzuki's.

I have reported this to AMSOIL. With the clutch performance rating of MA 2, the highest rating possible, I think the problem may be elsewhere, but have not ruled out the possiblity of a compatability issue.

Although, why would an oil work in some with no problems and then a few have problems. Sounds like a mechanical issue.

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Bob

I've been reading about using oil's other than Victory or Amsoil (my cousin in new mexico will only use amsoil synthetic in his 2001 v92c)I just bought a 2000 v92c and need to change my oil, I know the Victory oil package is about $80. the amsoil is very expensive, but I don't want to compromise price if it damages my bike, So I'm thinking about using Rotella T synthetic 5W-40 and Purolater Pure-1 PL14610 and doing the oil change myself,Any comments. Also I would like to build my own tool kit but I can't find a list of tools that comes with the 2000 v92c . Can someone help me out with a list of tools needed?

I've been reading about using oil's other than Victory or Amsoil (my cousin in new mexico will only use amsoil synthetic in his 2001 v92c)I just bought a 2000 v92c and need to change my oil, I know the Victory oil package is about $80. the amsoil is very expensive, but I don't want to compromise price if it damages my bike, So I'm thinking about using Rotella T synthetic 5W-40 and Purolater Pure-1 PL14610 and doing the oil change myself,Any comments. Also I would like to build my own tool kit but I can't find a list of tools that comes with the 2000 v92c . Can someone help me out with a list of tools needed?

If you are not looking to "compromise" why would you think about Rotella and a Pure One ?

The Pure One is an excellent filter but is NOT recommended for a Motorcycle and does not matter who runs them. Purolator says NO.

Rotella is a good oil, for a diesel. It meets MINIMUM Specifications for a Motorcycle.

I can tell you that AMSOIL and the AMSOIL EA Filter, from us (AMSOIL Dealer Group), is quite a bit less than the $80.00 Vic price. Email us at AMSOIL@bestoil4you.com and I will quote you a price. Take advantage before the price increase July 29th.

There is not a better oil or filter available for your Vic.


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which is the correct # for the vision oil filter. by victory

which is the correct # for the vision oil filter. by victory

If you have the 1731 it is the EAOM-103

If you have the 1634, Technically speaking I can only recommend the WIX 51356.

Unofficially, the AMSOIL EAO-13, now EA15K13 is the cross reference from the 51356.

Only difference is that the 13 is a little longer and listed as an automotive filter. The internal specs are identical to the 103.

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i ran amsoil in my harley engine, tranny and primary , 39000 miles no clutch slipping,

after breakin in my 09 vegas, amsoil & wix filter, presently 8500 miles , no clutch slipping, trans. shifts fine , neutral easy to find,

cost ? not an issue , as it has to be , factory states rating of jaso-ma . . . what automotive oil is jaso-ma rated ? much less jaso-ma2 ?

my $ 0.02

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Bob

Bob,
I'm looking to purchase Oil and or a Filter for my 2004 Kingpin.
Could you tell me what oil I should be using and the filter# when I go and purchase the items from Amsoil, you mentioned that we could get a forum discount?

Thanks,
Ferd

Here is a list of alternate oil filters with part #s
Hope it helps

Mobil: M1-110, M1-108
Purolator Pure-1: PL14610, PL14612
Bosch: 3300, 3323
Walmart SuperTech: ST7317
Amsoil: SMF-103, SMF-103C (chrome)
WIX: 51356, 51358
NAPA Gold 1356
Carquest: 85356
AC Delco: PF-2057
Motorcraft Long Life: FL-821
STP: S-02867
K&N: KN303
K&P : S-1 (Billet) S-1A (Black Anodized) S-1C (Chrome)

Don't forget PC Racing makes a "permanent" filter..it is billet and has a rare earth magnet in it to pre-filter.....costs about $99 but its good for as long as the bike is.....wac

Here is a list of alternate oil filters with part #s
Hope it helps

Mobil: M1-110, M1-108
Purolator Pure-1: PL14610, PL14612
Bosch: 3300, 3323
Walmart SuperTech: ST7317
Amsoil: SMF-103, SMF-103C (chrome)
WIX: 51356, 51358
NAPA Gold 1356
Carquest: 85356
AC Delco: PF-2057
Motorcraft Long Life: FL-821
STP: S-02867
K&N: KN303
K&P : S-1 (Billet) S-1A (Black Anodized) S-1C (Chrome)

For give my ignorance but are all of these good for all Vics? or just certain bikes? One of my confusions is the K&N part number, I have seen it online on "Victoryonly" as KN 198, but here you have listed KN303, is it the same filter maybe a hair longer/shorter? I just picked up a 04 vegas and just wanted to make sure i get it right. thanks.
Dave

Wow...opinions can sure vary. Here is my two cents. First, I cut open a victory filter to see what it is made of. It isn't a paper filter at all. It is more like a lava rock material. Is this better than paper? I have no idea since nobody has tested it against paper from what I can find. The other thing is, Victory recommends a semi synthetic. There is a reason. They know what their clutches are made of and what the friction ratio needs to be. I hear a lot about JASO MA and all this good stuff, but if you look at a bottle of Victory oil, it is not JASO MA certified. Hmmm, makes one wonder. I would think it isn't required so why spend the extra cash. I have over 26,000 miles on my 06 Jackpot that I bought new in 07. I have run 20W50 Semi-Synthetic Valvoline the entire time with Victory filters. The bike doesn't smoke and I have never had any tranny issues. I can change my own oil for under $40. I have saved almost $300 over the cost of Victory oil kits. Gee, what to do with the savings...ride more. Safe riding to all!!!

I have been using the Amsoil in my bike for most of it's life now. It came with the Mobil 1 Racing Motorcycle racing oil in it from the factory. I used it for the first oil change. The second oil change I switched to the Amsoil 20W-50 and now my bike has over 69,000 miles on it. I live in the Arizona desert and the oil does get hot here in the summer. The clutch is known to be the weak spot in my bike and I have adjusted it several times over the years,but I have never had to change it. Now knowing my luck it will go out next week,ha,ha. No my bikes not a Victory,one day I may have one. I got an 05 Triumph Speedmaster. The Amsoil goes in at every oil change now. No I am not a dealer,but I did buy into their preferred customer program,which gets you the oil a little cheaper. I even started running Amsoil in the wifes car and my old Ford truck. It is not cheap,but you can actually go further on oil changes. Before swithing to there oil I always changed oil at 3000 miles,not anymore. If you are not going to keep a vehicle, no I would not spend the money on their oil,but if you really plan on keeping a bike/car for years I think it's worth it.cheers

had my oil change today, cost $127 like W-O-W........What do you pay for an oil change?

That is crazy. Our service department does oil changes for victory's for roughly $75.00, depending on the model.
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That is crazy. Our service department does oil changes for victory's for roughly $75.00, depending on the model.
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That is very reasonable considering a oil change kit is $59 at most dealers. Only $16 to have a man set at the desk and set up the service, have a tech roll it in, lift it, perform the change, and check the other items like the air filter belt tension and all the recomended service components, and test drive it. THATS A DEAL :cool:

Explain when to use 14w-40 and when to use 20w-50.
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