My name is Doc.... I ride the "other American motorcycle", ya know, the Harley. Anyway, I logged on to let you Victory riders know that you look like goofs when your try so hard to be different.

Every time I see a victory rider at a stop light, they look around turning their heads trying to get noticed. They are almost saying outloud, "Look at me... I ride something thats not a Harley." It is way to funny.

I personally don't care what you ride, but the attitude you victory riders display is very lame. The way you ride in packs constantly waving at each other... when your riding next to each other !??!

You wanna be so different I bet you put hemorrhoid creme in your neck bearings just to be "different".

One question for you victory riders... when you by your Polaris, do they give you a first place ribbon for .... winning?

Share the road brothers, there is room for us all.

Did you mean the "other American motorcycle", built with China / Korea / UK, parts... :D

I guess I don't get it, If we ride a rice burner that tries to look and sound ( but fails) like a harley, then we are wana bees but if we ride americian bikes that are not trying to be harleys then we are acused of trying to be different. Every rider likes his scooter to get noticed especially if youv'e do a lot of work to it, harley riders included. I know Harley has the name, history, and customer loyality but I think Victory is going to take a bite out of them. I have owned both and tore both down to nothin but nuts and bolts and I gota tell you the Victory has got the harley beat in design! Thats tough for me to say as I rode harley for 20 years, but I really like this victory. There is somthing about a harley that is different from any other bike, but there is somthing about a Victory that is different to, both great bikes (except for twin cams) so perhaps you should share the road with us, if you do or not, we're going to take it anyway!

I've ridden Harleys and owned lots of em. My last one was a 1964 panhead that I rode the hell out of. When people ask if I ever owned a Harley I always tell them I used to ride Harleys when they were'nt cool. I love the bikes, just dont like the whole Harley scene with the Harley pants, boots, wallet, billfold, bandannas,rings, ect,ect. Each to their own. I've owned lots of bikes from rice rockets to Boss Hoss's (4 of em) and Harleys to an 05 Hammer, currently that I traded my 2008 Suzuki B-King for (love it). I'll probably end up with another Harley some day because they are great bikes. I've met a lot of Harley riders over the years that had nasty attitudes about other bikes. I never did and still dont. I love it when I see a Harley riding with a Crotch Rocket! Like you said Doc there's room on the road for everyone...OK I'll get off my soapbox now

Its the whole "I am better,smarter, gonna take over" attitude that drives me nuts. hey, hog has its place, it is supposed to be about riding, some are some are'nt.

I prefer to ride with anyone, goldwings, ricers, BMWs, rockets whatever... except the Victory Riders (for the most part). All they do is compare the differences between the brands, and eventually tell everyone how they are smarter for owning a victory.

doc i ride with all riders in our group there are 11 hds 2 yamahas 2 victorys & 1 300cc scooter that stays with us.i have my second vic kingpin because the first one was rear ended and totaled out and thin one week after pick up of new bike i won a v92 custon bobber from the victory ralley last month & very happy with both of thim.
NOW sounds to me like your one of those pricks that ride the hd to fit there profile AND JUST wont to be a hard core biker. i know a lot of hard core 1% true bikers that are impresed with the vic & let a couple drive my kp and thay was amazed how fast, and smouth thay handeled so dont come on here with your jellous remarks, the true fact is you probley got fu---d on a hd and cant face the fact. harleys are good bikes there our history but some pricks like you just wont face up to a new better built, faster, and cheeper bike that is more AMERICAN MADE THAN HARLEYS. we dont look around wonting people to notice us, the bike does that anyway. so from me and some outher vic riders KISS OUR ASS.

I think its funny when people that wish they had bought a Victory start bashing the people that actually do own them. I guess they are still pissed that Harley screwed them royally in the ass with no lube. Here is a tip....just reach under your engine...rub your index finger under there......take a little bit of that dripping oil you know you have down there.....shove that finger between your butt cheeks and go F_ck yourself.

Hey Doc, your meds are wearing off, better go up your prescription. It's funny how you went out of your way to start a thread breaking Vic owners balls. Got nothing better to do, or is your beloved H-D in the shop getting fixed again and you're bored? Either way, it's morons like you that drive buyers to Vics over H-Ds. You talk out of both sides of your ass.. on one hand you say it doesn't matter what you ride, and on the other it's anything but a Vic. As a fabricator of parts for both bikes, you need to either get educated or get a life. Do yourself a favor, don't worry about Vic owners and we'll not worry about you. Deal?
Hey Noe and Ron, we know the type and other than one post, this guy, and those like him just aren't worth it.

Now they are "Vic's"? So you prefer to tell us you ride guys? Seems just like the group of people I am talking about??!!

Now, I never called your product inferior or not as good. I am simply talking about the owner attitude. With the remarks I have received back it just shows my point. Most Polaris motorcycle riders are like the 3rd grade kid in the corner... starving for attention.

I think the kingpin 8-ball is a good looking bike. I think the Vision is the ugliest thing I have ever seen. Then you get your motorcycle overlord to design total garbage, I am talking about the Ness series. 24k for a cory ness jackpot? Someone here said HD was overpriced? Take a fatboy over that clown bike and you would too, and save 5 to 7 large.

When you buy an ness series bike, do you get a coupon for one free blow on the so called "king" Arlen Ness himself?

So, to summarize, I never ripped the technology, and like a biker or two. I just laugh at the attention seekers who ride them. Together we have figured out that polaris is overpriced and HD offers better deals. Last but not least, when someone buys a new Polaris they get a first place ribbon and a Free blow on Arlen Ness coupon.

Once again Doc, or is it Dic? Well, either way...
So you know there's an '06 H-D in my garage next to my Vic, so if anyone is to talk it's someone who owns both. Personally, if you were knowledgeable too you'd know the value of what you get on a Cory Ness for the $4,500 upgrade. Between the one of 250 paint, the chrome swingarm, the pullback fly bars, the Ness billet wheels, chrome grips and blah blah blah, if you knew math you'd not spew such crap from your trap. And so you know, the H-D is also an '06 and has been in the shop 5 times for a carb, blown ECM, blown rectifier, and two oil leaks. My Vic hasn't seen the dealer since it left there, and bro, I don't baby it at all. 12.3 in th 1/4, and will outrun any H-D in the twisties. Maybe Vic owners stand tall in the saddle because they take pride in the decision they made to buy the best NEW American Motorcycle on the market. 20% more American than the Hog in my garage BTW (and yes, yours too).
Most of the guys I ride with ride H-D's, and I don't hear crap like you're spewing from them about me, so what you say entertains me more than anything. I've ridden all of theirs, sporties, RKs, SGs, EGs, Dynas, you name it. Have also ridden every single new model for the last 3 years. Know what? We smile at the light and stand tall for a reason.
Second, your constant referral to Polaris only shows you're trying to put them down and liken them to ATV's. Go ahead, maybe that's why they're so tough and reliable. I bet you call you're friends (if you have any) with AMF era H-Ds AMFs and not H-Ds, right? Regardless of what a piece of shit most of them were. Should they not ride with pride of what they're on? Get off your bullshit soap box and stop trying to pick I fight because dude, you'll lose this one for sure. Now go away back into your hole and read up on the reality of what you've just learned.

Once again Doc, or is it Dic? Well, either way...
So you know there's an '06 H-D in my garage next to my Vic, so if anyone is to talk it's someone who owns both. Personally, if you were knowledgeable too you'd know the value of what you get on a Cory Ness for the $4,500 upgrade. Between the one of 250 paint, the chrome swingarm, the pullback fly bars, the Ness billet wheels, chrome grips and blah blah blah, if you knew math you'd not spew such crap from your trap. And so you know, the H-D is also an '06 and has been in the shop 5 times for a carb, blown ECM, blown rectifier, and two oil leaks. My Vic hasn't seen the dealer since it left there, and bro, I don't baby it at all. 12.3 in th 1/4, and will outrun any H-D in the twisties. Maybe Vic owners stand tall in the saddle because they take pride in the decision they made to buy the best NEW American Motorcycle on the market. 20% more American than the Hog in my garage BTW (and yes, yours too).
Most of the guys I ride with ride H-D's, and I don't hear crap like you're spewing from them about me, so what you say entertains me more than anything. I've ridden all of theirs, sporties, RKs, SGs, EGs, Dynas, you name it. Have also ridden every single new model for the last 3 years. Know what? We smile at the light and stand tall for a reason.
Second, your constant referral to Polaris only shows you're trying to put them down and liken them to ATV's. Go ahead, maybe that's why they're so tough and reliable. I bet you call you're friends (if you have any) with AMF era H-Ds AMFs and not H-Ds, right? Regardless of what a piece of shit most of them were. Should they not ride with pride of what they're on? Get off your bullshit soap box and stop trying to pick I fight because dude, you'll lose this one for sure. Now go away back into your hole and read up on the reality of what you've just learned.

I understand what your saying, about the AMF's era and stuff. But I am not on a soapbox, and I will not lose because this site has some serious membership. Man, at this pace, by next week I will be your number 1 poster.

Hey, I got one for ya. What do you get when a Honda Goldwing has sex with a BMW R 1200 RT? A polaris Vision. :D

hi doc
do you know stupid & childish you sound with your remarks you have made i hope your own frinds for your sake (if any ) dont see this posts you have made . talk like that in most areas con get your ass wooped so when your in the bars or around bikers you might not wont to talk about bikes because i wouldnt dought a hd rider might tag you first for the imbarisment .
try to drive safe and dont worry about the vic riders where going to be just fine rideing with all people with all bikes !!

I understand what your saying, about the AMF's era and stuff. But I am not on a soapbox, and I will not lose because this site has some serious membership. Man, at this pace, by next week I will be your number 1 poster.

Hey, I got one for ya. What do you get when a Honda Goldwing has sex with a BMW R 1200 RT? A polaris Vision. :D

Hey Doc, Let's get over this BS already, unless you've got nothing better to do. After all this, who knows, we may someday actualy agree on something. As for the Vision being ugly, there's the first thing I agree with. Other than one or two with paint jobs that made them look better, yep, they're no swan. But try to out run on the straights or out handle one in the twisties, and you'll see how pretty that tail end looks from behind pulling away from you in all instances. I don't care if you're on a screamin' chicken that's had the sloppy suspension tweaked and the frame connector added to eliminate all the flexing in hard corners (you know what I mean, dontcha?). She may be ugly, but that bitch runs! Go ride one... POLARIS dealers as you call them actually will let you take one for a nice long ride. Drop in on one and see for yourself, then come back and spew your crap as at least someone that's not taking out of an orifice that needs wiping after each word comes out. Are you man enough to do it? Or are you just a keyboard cowboy who likes stirring the pot? Let's see, man, or mouth, man or mouth, man, or mouth...

Hey Doc,
Go On my post and take a look at my scoot. I have built every bike I've ever ridden, if anyone badmouthed any of my bikes, this victory included, they would have gotten squished like a bug! If Victory riders in general are such superiour, nose in the air, assholes as you say then how many posts are there on your favorite harley chat site from Vic riders, slamming not only Harley's but the people who Ride them, not many I'll venture to guess! Anyway you got what you wanted, a whole lot of people worked up and upset, over your ignorant opinon.

Now they are "Vic's"? So you prefer to tell us you ride guys? Seems just like the group of people I am talking about??!!

So I guess because you ride a Harley that's ok? Hmmmm, isn't Harley a mans name too? Why yes it is you ignorant dick. Fact is that Victory does make a better motorcycle then H-D and it sticks in your craw. I've been riding one since 2002 and all I've ever done is replace tires, brakes and change the oil. I added 14 HP which upped it to 90HP with an air filter, slip ons and power commander. I have yet to crack open the engine for any reason. It doesn't leak either. You are a troll so go hide under your bridge until you actually know what you are talking about. P.S. The Vision is indeed ugly but runs, rides and handles better than any Harley.

Ok ... Ok...
You guys have a good Independence Day weekend, I will see ya next week. During the time out, take a personal inventory on your attitudes and how you act in public. I am sure you will find fault and fix your issues. Until then my friends, have a good time on the road, I will still wave to you as you go by.

I find it interesting that you chose Victory riders to alienate. I have seen the same attitude from may different manufacturer's riders. I have rode many bikes for many years and it for the most part is about the ride. There is a small group of riders as you describe probably expecting certain parts of thier anatomy to grow from riding. They come in all shapes and sizes and ride all makes and models. Personally as a past HOG member it is my opinion that they are the worst about it!

Every time I see a victory rider at a stop light, they look around turning their heads trying to get noticed. They are almost saying outloud, "Look at me... I ride something thats not a Harley." It is way to funny.

Let's make one small change to this statement:

Every time I see a Harley rider at a stop light, they look around turning their heads trying to get noticed. They are almost saying outloud, "Look at me... I ride a Harley." It is way to funny.

I can't even count the times I've seen this! You come on here chastising the few Vic riders for doing exactly the same that Harley riders have been doing for 100 years. So what, we are proud of what we ride so it irritates you? Or is it that we are proud that we ride American steel that is not a Harley? Your problem is that of many Harley owners. In the past you have rationalized that 'rice burners' are inferior because they are not American. Despite the technology being superior, that one fact sets them below owning a H-D and you can look down on them for it. Now that Victory has come along you can't do that for us. We are more American than Harley - and that grates your soul. We are proud of owning an American made bike that's not a Harley - and that grates your soul. You are one of those that thinks that owning a Harley is a right-of-passage and should be treated with respect. Here's a gut check, we are here and we are pushing the envelope. Victory engineers are innovators - Our bikes don't look like they are 100 years old and they don't run like it either. I've heard H-D sales and mechanics say off the record that Victory is making their mark, and because of solid design and low maintenance that they expect more H-D owners of the younger variety to take a look at Victory. We make more power for less money, and can make an H-D look ridiculous in the twisties. So yea, if we do stand tall in the saddle and say 'I own a Victory', we have good reason to. We ride a quality product.
I ride with many Harley owners who are very good friends. We all jab back and forth about who's is better, but it's all in good taste. We don't go on the other brand's boards trying to stir up crap like you have. I think Harley's fit and finish are top notch, but the drive train and dated frame technology is what turns me off. Too much shaking, too little power - and too much $ to get more out of it. Also the attitude that 'everyone wants a Harley' is a joke. I have what I want, so don't get bent when I'm proud of what I ride.

It is still about the ride though. I will never count out a rice burner because it may be all they can afford. It is about the freedom, a feeling I cant even describe. Closest I can come is by sayig even on the worst day of my life, the day my son died of sids I could ride and get away from this world for a while. Doesnt matter what you ride if it is yours and you can be proud that you own it then ride and fuck everybody else.

clepidus, you are right... in the end it is all about the ride.

Guys, I never ripped the engineering of the your Polaris industries product.

But, I cant let stupid go. Wolfdog... you said, "We make more power for less money"

Ok dork, lets look at some basic stats.
Comparable rides....
Harley Electra Glide Standard $16,999
victory vision street premium $21,699
So... Wolfdog, Victory makes more power for more, $4700 more. Sit down and shut up.

Now for the rest... who want to hide behind the "we are innovators" bullcrap, lets take a visual test.... Pick number 1 or 2

1) Harley FLHT (Electra Glide Standard)
http://cdn-0.psndealer.com/e2/dealersite/images/NewVehicles/2009_5_flht_vividBlack.jpg

2) victory vision street premium aka POS moon bike
http://image.motorcyclistonline.com/f/10612604/10612604+w400/2009_Victory_Vision_StreetPremium.jpg

You know 95% on this site will admit the FLHT is a way better looking bike. Hands down.

.... Wolfdog, stand up once again. You said, "... and can make an H-D look ridiculous in the twisties. So yea, if we do stand tall in the saddle and say 'I own a Victory', we have good reason to. We ride a quality product." Dip shit, the 2009 frame is the best on the market. Here is the review...http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/harley-davidson/2009-harleydavidson-touring-models-review-86648.html. Now you can sit down and shut up.

Hey Doc, you're the one who came in here and started this crap-fest. So why don't you take a hike and if you don't like how SOME Vic riders act, take it up with them personally. Maybe you'll end up with a fist in your face for opening your pie hole. Then again, maybe you'll see that they are no different then you. (I hope this isn't the case because then those Vic riders would be deuchers too)

Bottom line, you won't win here so quit harrassing this board like a 3-year old with a temper tantrum.

OK fellas, this pretty much sums it up.....
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YEP
Thats what we have been saying about you over here how much of a prick you must be to agree with this add. if victory did a ad like that i would be ashamed of it & would bitch to corporate, i DAM sure wouldnt be proud of that ad but thien again i want down grade a mans bike unless he starts some shit like your trying to do.
OH by the way in the real world in ga, the hd prick, with the wont to be tough guy look would have got his as wooooooped!

YEP
... if victory did a ad like that i would be ashamed of it & would bitch to corporate,

Yep I am sure you would, and I am pretty sure I know how that would go:

Polaris Industries: "Hello, Polaris Industries"
ronfox: "Yes, I have a complaint to make about one of your ads, a motorcycle ad."
Polaris Industries: "Ok, hold please..... "
Polaris Industries: "Hello, Polaris Industries - snowmobile division"
ronfox: "No, not a snowmobile, I want to complaint about a motorcycle ad"
Polaris Industries: "Ok, hold please..... "
Polaris Industries: "Hello, Polaris Industries - ATV division"
ronfox: "No - No, not a ATV ad, I want to complaint about a motorcycle ad"
Polaris Industries: "Ok, hold please..... "
Polaris Industries: "Hello, Polaris Industries - Ranger division"
ronfox: "No - No - no, not a Ranger ad, I want to complaint about a motorcycle ad"
Polaris Industries: "Ok, hold please..... "
ronfox: "Hey, connect me to the right palce or someone is gonna get their as wooooooped !!"
Polaris Industries: "Hello, I understand you would like to build a sled?"
ronfox: "No Man, I am trying to bitch to corperate about an ad I saw that shows your motorcycles in a bad light."
Polaris Industries: "Motorcycle??? we make... oh yeah hold on one second, OK"
ronfox: "OK !!!"
Polaris Industries: "Hi, I understand you would like to build a Ranger? We have many options..."
ronfox: "WTF man... I want to make a complaint about a fuckin motorcycle ad. Get me to someone who knows something..."
Polaris Industries: "Government contract division..."
ronfox, "What the hell, this company sucks.... screw this I am gonna go jerk off my dog."

hahahahahahahaahahhhaahahaaahahhhhahahaaahhahahaha hahahahahaahhhahh:rolleyes:
doc that was funny atlest thay can hold there heads up with real RESPECT and not lower there selfs to ad,s like the one you posted.
im shure there is hd riders that think it sucks to,:confused:
doc i honestly think you might need to face the fact that you are a little child & if your a good boy maybe some one will wave at you when thay go by. doc i tought my kids not to wine when there is something wrong instead to face up to the problem and be a man, things will work out, if you face the problem. i really do feel sorry for guys like you, your just a guy that likes to bitch over anything dont you. your probley just a lonley man with nothing to do but JACK OFF AND BITCH about every one . does vics make you that jelous , clearly a shrink could help you with that problem, i bet he would try to tell you to grow up and stop being a bitch,& if that dont work maybe he will slap the tast out of your mouth!! :eek:
so doc try to except the fact that were here to stay, so move over some and share the road.:D

hahahahahahahaahahhhaahahaaahahhhhahahaaahhahahaha hahahahahaahhhahh:
doc that was funny atlest thay can hold there heads up with real RESPECT and not lower there selfs to ad,s like the one you posted.
im shure there is hd riders that think it sucks to,:confused:
doc i honestly think you might need to face the fact that you are a little child & if your a good boy maybe some one will wave at you when thay go by. doc i tought my kids not to wine when there is something wrong instead to face up to the problem and be a man, things will work out, if you face the problem. i really do feel sorry for guys like you, your just a guy that likes to bitch over anything dont you. your probley just a lonley man with nothing to do but JACK OFF AND BITCH about every one . does vics make you that jelous , clearly a shrink could help you with that problem, i bet he would try to tell you to grow up and stop being a bitch,& if that dont work maybe he will slap the tast out of your mouth!! :eek:
so doc try to except the fact that were here to stay, so move over some and share the road.:D

Glad you liked it. I will share the road with ya anyday ron, even if you are on an inferior product.:)

Now they are "Vic's"? So you prefer to tell us you ride guys? Seems just like the group of people I am talking about??!!

Now, I never called your product inferior or not as good. I am simply talking about the owner attitude. With the remarks I have received back it just shows my point. Most Polaris motorcycle riders are like the 3rd grade kid in the corner... starving for attention.

I think the kingpin 8-ball is a good looking bike. I think the Vision is the ugliest thing I have ever seen. Then you get your motorcycle overlord to design total garbage, I am talking about the Ness series. 24k for a cory ness jackpot? Someone here said HD was overpriced? Take a fatboy over that clown bike and you would too, and save 5 to 7 large.

When you buy an ness series bike, do you get a coupon for one free blow on the so called "king" Arlen Ness himself?

So, to summarize, I never ripped the technology, and like a biker or two. I just laugh at the attention seekers who ride them. Together we have figured out that polaris is overpriced and HD offers better deals. Last but not least, when someone buys a new Polaris they get a first place ribbon and a Free blow on Arlen Ness coupon.

seems to me you're one looking for attention. why else would you come to a victory site and blast some of the Victory riders? i know plenty of HD riders, most are real cool and decent people, some are insecure like you and have to cut down every other bike but their brand. but i don't go to HD sites and dog the posers who stop and look in the mirror when they have all the HD outfits on. so Doc, grow up, you're acting just like the image most people have of HD riders, even if the image is not true.

Just got my new Vegas 8ball home. Absolutly love it. Have owned many bikes over the years and still have a few. I looked at HD. Why buy something that has not changed in decades. Dont want to be like most others and ride HD. They look like dinosaurs to me.

Just got my new Vegas 8ball home. Absolutly love it. Have owned many bikes over the years and still have a few. I looked at HD. Why buy something that has not changed in decades. Dont want to be like most others and ride HD. They look like dinosaurs to me.

Wingman, congrats on your new bike. I hope you love it, ride it a lot and it brings you years of happiness.

Now for you other victory fags. Keep your garbage, but never... ever.... ever roll down the road sporting a beard or a goatee, leave that to us HD riders. Just wear your pink shirts and spandex with a rainbow on your ass.

Sorry doc, I dont need to wear a "costume" when I ride. Later. Much.

Dam Doc
You Have Hit Anouther Low Calling A Group Of People Fags That You Have Now Idea Of Who They Are. Oh Yea Most Of The Time The One Who Calls Someone A Fag Or Something Like That Has A Problen And Is Trying To Hide It By Being All Tough Acting. Kind Of Like Your Hero In That Ad You Posted On Here.whats The Matter Doc Thay Wont Let In In The Hd Rooms.sososo Sad!!

Well, Gentlemen... its been fun.
I dont really care what you ride, what you wear or what speed you go. Just as long as your having fun, that is the main thing. I have seen a couple of victory bikes that look cool before and some I think are space ships. In the end it dont matter as long as you are getting some roads covered.

Be safe, have fun.
Hang loose.

Difference between a Harley and a Hoover? The position of the dirtbag. Nuff said, Doc is still a deucher.

Hey guys, the new 2010 HD's are out. Nothing impressive. Changed the 5th gear to a straight cut gear instead of a helical. Other than that nothing that knocks your socks off from the 2009... except the Fatboy lo. Trade in your shit for a sweet bike, you will be happy.
http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Content/Pages/2010_Motorcycles/2010_motorcycles.html?locale=en_US&bmLocale=en_US#/model/flstfb/gallery

ps... Evolvd Ride... nice deucher drop.:)

ps... Evolvd Ride... nice deucher drop.:)

You're welcome ;)

Looked at the link and I'm not impressed. The Wide Glide is the only decent looking bike, the Fat Boy lo is plain and un-inspiring and my god the Road Glide Custom is uglier than a bag of assholes.

I think those of us on this board (except you) already like our Sweet Rides. You're not going to change our minds, so quit trying.

folks:eek:
i just checked out the 2010 crossroads vic, MAN ITS, FU--ING GREAT!I LOVE THE NEW FAREN :cool: i hope it will fit a 08 kp with maybe changing bars only. THE BAGS LOOK GOOD TO ME TO.does anyone know how to find out specks and if thay will fit.

ps, doc
you must be very jealous of vics,to keep bashing them.:o

You're welcome ;)

Looked at the link and I'm not impressed. The Wide Glide is the only decent looking bike, the Fat Boy lo is plain and un-inspiring and my god the Road Glide Custom is uglier than a bag of assholes.

I think those of us on this board (except you) already like our Sweet Rides. You're not going to change our minds, so quit trying.

try a road glide ever? Those are great bikes....
This is the 2010 that has me thinking...
http://powersports.honda.com/street/chopper.aspx

try a road glide ever? Those are great bikes....
This is the 2010 that has me thinking...
http://powersports.honda.com/street/chopper.aspx

Why would I try it? I can't even stand to look at it! What good is a bike if it rides well but looks like something molded out of dog crap by a blind man?

Why would I try it? I can't even stand to look at it! What good is a bike if it rides well but looks like something molded out of dog crap by a blind man?

every line has its so so, 50/50 like it or dont, no in between. Polaris has that touring spaceship and HD has the shark nose. Here is what you should do, just go to your dealer and try it. Then you can come back and tell me what you think of the ride, engine and handling.

Dont be a pussy and do it.:)

every line has its so so, 50/50 like it or dont, no in between. Polaris has that touring spaceship and HD has the shark nose. Here is what you should do, just go to your dealer and try it. Then you can come back and tell me what you think of the ride, engine and handling.

Dont be a pussy and do it.:)

Oh I should go ride on an ugly-ass bike before I pass judgement? Why would I do that? Oh, cause that would make me different from you....pussy.

doc:rolleyes:
i was detailng my bike yesterday & my frind next door for 8 years has a 06 road king a very nice bike,hes down in back now so i got his bike and cleaned it and detailed it and road it for about 10 mIles and brought IT back, just like hes took mine before . i never said hd wasnt a nice bike, if thats what you wont but most of us chose vics on here. i have a kingpin tour with a lot of custon stuff & a custom 50,s style v-92 vic bobber, that i won, i even have his & hers, 50cc mopads for camping, outings and just playing around with wife and kids. i will probbley buy a basket case hd to play with and learn to build in my off time in my shop,JUST TO HAVE ONE but out of all the bikes i have the kingpin will always be my main pick. doc this is the last time that i will comit on your post because your not worth the time to listen to, i know your here just to fuss and wine.
YOU MUST BE A FLICKED MOTHER F---ING CHILD!!!:D

Oh I should go ride on an ugly-ass bike before I pass judgement? Why would I do that? Oh, cause that would make me different from you....pussy.

Fine, you do it I will try the space ship. Are you in or out?

doc:rolleyes:
i was detailng my bike yesterday & my frind next door for 8 years has a 06 road king a very nice bike,hes down in back now so i got his bike and cleaned it and detailed it and road it for about 10 mIles and brought IT back, just like hes took mine before . i never said hd wasnt a nice bike, if thats what you wont but most of us chose vics on here. i have a kingpin tour with a lot of custon stuff & a custom 50,s style v-92 vic bobber, that i won, i even have his & hers, 50cc mopads for camping, outings and just playing around with wife and kids. i will probbley buy a basket case hd to play with and learn to build in my off time in my shop,JUST TO HAVE ONE but out of all the bikes i have the kingpin will always be my main pick. doc this is the last time that i will comit on your post because your not worth the time to listen to, i know your here just to fuss and wine.
YOU MUST BE A FLICKED MOTHER F---ING CHILD!!!:D

I believe I showed you some respect on post 26.

geez man grow up. I ride a HD too and can honestly say I like the bike but really hate some of the attitude that goes with it..

If you're on 2 wheels then you're cool with me.

geez man grow up. I ride a HD too and can honestly say I like the bike but really hate some of the attitude that goes with it..

If you're on 2 wheels then you're cool with me.

Welcome to the number one thread on this site... during July.
Thanks for making my point. The whole topic was about the attitudes of the Polaris riders.

What happened from there is personal attacks on me, playing on my words and reading things I never typed.

Welcome to the number one thread on this site... during July.
Thanks for making my point. The whole topic was about the attitudes of the Polaris riders.

What happened from there is personal attacks on me, playing on my words and reading things I never typed.

You're talking out both sides of your mouth (figuratively). I have no more desire to ride any more Harley's than I already have.

When are you going to get the point that we don't care about your opinion on here as its overly biased and useles...

To everyone else, let's quit replying to this jack-hole as he seems to get off on the attention like a 3 year old.

What happened from there is personal attacks on me, playing on my words and reading things I never typed.

Well maybe if you weren't trying to be a troll you'd get a better response.

Had to revive this classic, epic thread. It was just linked to from another, more current discussion.

I had never seen it, so chances are many others have missed it as well.

All the other crap aside, I have to say I respect CycleOps even more now thumb up

:puke:Here we go again!

:puke:Here we go again!

Holy crap Diamond, that smiley is hilarious! :ltr: Where can I find more like it? thumb up

Thanks for reviving this very entertaining thread. Can't remember when I laughed so hard reading through all the pages. :ltr:

The dude was a troll. Keyboard commando with nothing better to do than harass a Victory forum.

Doc where do you get your brain cells from? Cracker jacks?
You come pair a stock fatboy to a ness bike. Wouldn't that be a screaming chicken bike. How do you know Vic rider are waving to one another? At lease we can take our hands off the bars.
As for the Vision compared to your 63 year old design bike. Maybe Willy G should get some new glass's and come out of his cave and see that the model A is long gone. What your V twin carburetor motor is now a bolt on EFI motor that California says pollutes there air.
You bad mouth the Ness's for what reason? You don't like them cause they have better ideas then you or there bikes are more of custom bikes then your bike. Would the custom world be as big as it is if it wasn't for Arlen? Obviously you have never meet the Ness's so you talk out of what your best known for your brown hole.
I'm sorry I lowed my self to your sub standers.

Haha, good stuff, I was laughing my butt off, Ill have to remember now to only look forward at a stop light and not check out whats going on around me such as i was taught in the MSF course.:D

Im not sure i understood the video he posted though,this is my take on it..
OK fellas, this pretty much sums it up.....
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SOOOOOOOOOO Harley guys get/like sloppy seconds?


As for me, ill ride with any respectful rider. I ride with Two honda Vtx1800's, and HD dyna glide and a Vintage Bmw

This is the same old thing. Don't associate a brand with a particular person. I love my KP, but I probably will own a HD some day (as a second bike). Of course everyone who owns a Victory is going to think they made the right choice and visa versa. Myself, like a lot of Victory owners, did a lot of research prior to our purchase. When I bought my display model 2006 with 4 miles on it I was convinced it was the best value for my money. If you go and buy a bike without doing the leg work, you are probably buying a name. Most of the intelligent answers I have seen on this subject show that Victory riders have done the comparison and believe their choice to be the right one. Most Victory owners would probably also admit that HD was originally their first choice. Why can't we just all get along!

LIVE, LOVE, RIDE!!!!!!!

Holy crap Diamond, that smiley is hilarious! :ltr: Where can I find more like it? thumb up

On the right side of the reply box there are smiley's. Click more and you will see what else is available.

Hey maybe it's just you. I don't have that problem. See a shrink..LOL

doc,
When one lives in a glass house they shouldn't throw stones. Now go put your pirate costume on and go ride your other American bike and leave us alone. Like you said, "there is room for us all" so why did you even think of starting such an acrimonious thread?

Gotta admit that guy is out of his gourd...I did stuff like that in highschool used to screw with truckers over the CB--had a grand old time and it was entertaining.

Am I the only one that sees the irony in some dipshit making a desperate plea for attention by commenting on anothers percived need for attention???

this thread made me lol

Am I the only one that sees the irony in some dipshit making a desperate plea for attention by commenting on anothers percived need for attention???

Uhhhh, nope

Halarious....I think what has him upset is----"polaris industries" which he mentioned over and over, took in just a few years and made a great bike in the good ole USA that HD has been working at for many years..Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. I guess that fueled the service department and parts store well..I must say in this day and age it seems to be the trend. I cant seem to buy anything worth a shit anymore. Except my KP..lol

This is a guy who frequents a CVO Harley site. I was a member there and posted from time to time. Doc said he went to a Victory forum and was treated badly and that Victory riders had a bad attitude. After reading this thread, I know the truth.

He suggested that I come here and join because he was sick and tired on my attitude (of which I had shown NONE). Basically, I was treated like crap, even after the "All are welcome, please stick around and post" welcome that I got when I joined.

I went out of my way to post casual conversation, never be confrontational, and keep it 'matter of fact' since I was an outsider there.... didn't work... I was basically told to leave and not come back.

Doc has a 131" motor on his Harley. I think he was a bit miffed that my 110" Victory motor made just as much power and low end grunt as his 131. I only posted what it made because THEY ASKED ME TO.

It has been my experience that all you have to do is mention Victory and the faithful are instantly on the defensive. I can't explain why, it's like an instinctive reaction.

So I didn't bother wasting my time reading this whole thread, but I certainly hope that this idiot was just trying to get a rise out of everyone. Otherwise, why the Hell is he not banned, and why aren't these ridiculous posts removed? I would think someone outright attacking this site and its members would certainly not be welcome by its moderators...

Doc does have a decent vocabulary for a 12 year old. Who else comes on these sites trying to pick a fight?

Then after loosing BADLY he then stomps his feet on the way outta the playground after having been trodden upon declaring "Yea, I sure showed them who's right..." :ltr:

We've all seen troll-ism before and we can all smell a troll. Doc is simply a troll just like on any other board. It's an old, old ploy that never works but I guess it (somehow) makes him feel better to get his but kicked.

Next time, the LEAST he could do would be to bring his own ball to the field so that he has something to play with....by himself.

He doesn't like that the $16K Cross Country kicks the butt of the $20K Street Glide Custom.
He doesn't like that you can buy a Ness Victory for nearly TEN THOUSAND less than a H-D CVO and also have more power to the ground for a LOT less money.
He doesn't like a LOT of things and so he attempts to fabricate targets out of thin air and the results are the same..thin air.

Am I the only one that sees the irony in some dipshit making a desperate plea for attention by commenting on anothers percived need for attention???
That is pretty damn funny. It really is ironic or moronic. Whichever...

He doesn't like that the $16K Cross Country kicks the butt of the $20K Street Glide Custom.
He doesn't like that you can buy a Ness Victory for nearly TEN THOUSAND less than a H-D CVO and also have more power to the ground for a LOT less money.

He just got what he wanted. He got you to write a paragraph that sounds a whole lot like you're trying to justify why you didn't buy a Harley.... Because as we all know there are 2 kinds of riders. Those who ride Harley and those who wish they did. The more we type reasons, the more it proves his point.

His kind will say that Harley's are not about power to the ground (but why does he have a 131" motor? Which by the way makes it no longer a Harley).
His kind will say it's all about tradition and Victory has none.
His kind will say Harley is the Gold standard that all others are compared to... and when you compare power, handling, braking, and price you just prove his point.

There is no logical reply that can counter an illogical mindset.

If Victory builds a classic-styled bike people say they are just copying Harley. If Victory goes their own way with styling the same people say they look funny and non-traditional.... you can't make any headway against a closed mind.

Over 100 years of ingrained brand recognition. People who don't ride, never held a motorcycle endorsement, never owned a motorcycle, and really don't know a damned thing about motorcycles... STILL hold very strong opinions about what is the best motorcycle to own and which motorcycle YOU need to ride to be cool.

It's a losing battle....

As a new rider and victory owner with no brand loyalty who gives a f*ck what you ride? Its all about riding. I went with a used 08 Vegas 8-ball because of the cost/reliability and the way it looks. Show me a Harley for $8000, three years old with under 1300 miles? `

Show me a Harley for $8000, three years old with under 1300 miles? `

And you reinforced 2 of Doc's points.
1. Bikes are always compared to HD because HD is the standard by which all are measured.
2. A Harley holds its value better than Victory.

Gee, you guys are really bad at this.....

...Bikes are always compared to HD because HD is the standard by which all are measured...

Not in my book. My Vic's the only measuring stick! ;)

there is a principal. which is a bar against all information. which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. this principal is contempt prior to investigation.
herbert spencer

there is a principal. which is a bar against all information. which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. this principal is contempt prior to investigation.
herbert spencer

Yeah! What Herb said! :ltr:

there is a principal. which is a bar against all information. which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. this principal is contempt prior to investigation.
herbert spencer

:ltr:Are you SERIOUS? :ltr:Now THAT is REALLY Funny! I don't care WHO you are!:ltr:

Invoking Spencer is like using an Atomic bomb to extinguish an out of control firecracker display (Doc popping his mount off at every argument). I can pretty much gaurentee that he doesn't know Spencer much less would have ANY way of countering this in any logical manner. His response should be a REAL laugh...if he hasn't already been banned for contempt.

Victory made a huge mistake in their advertising when they did a direct comparison to HD. That just fuels (pun intended) the notion that HD is the standard of comparison. You will note, Harley does not even acknowledge that there ARE other motorcycles in their advertising...

You must argue from a position that cannot be used against you or used to validate the opposing viewpoint. This is where to take it:

Victory motorcycles stand on their own merit. In any objective comparison with other cruiser/bagger motorcycles, the Victory will always place in the top two or three. Quite an achievement for an American company to progress from a blank sheet of paper to building world class motorcycles in such a short time.

Simply a statement of fact. Cannot be disputed, refuted, or turned around on you.

there is a principal. which is a bar against all information. which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. this principal is contempt prior to investigation.
herbert spencer


Saw this in a book written by a guy named Bill

Victory made a huge mistake in their advertising when they did a direct comparison to HD. That just fuels (pun intended) the notion that HD is the standard of comparison. You will note, Harley does not even acknowledge that there ARE other motorcycles in their advertising...You must argue from a position that cannot be used against you or used to validate the opposing viewpoint....

:rolleyes: Someone missed at least half a semester of their marketing 101 class. It has already been PROVEN that this is a VERY successful marketing technique by a little company named..AVIS :rolleyes:

HC - I understand your idea of a different approach but like it or not, HD does have the market majority simply due to the fact that they have been around the longest with a successful product (just like HERTZ). AVIS decided to show the world that it could be done better and cheaper and thus were VERY successful with the "We try harder" campaign. Victory's "The new American motorcycle company" campaign has brought that model of marketing VERY successfully to Victory.

Another "my dick is bigger than yours" thread. Ha!
Variety is good. Everyone has their own reason for what they choose to ride.
When I rode a Buell, the ride riders dis it for not looking like every other bike or sounding like a lawn mower. (With the stock muffler my XB12S did sound a bit like a lawn mower at idle, but not after I had it modified. :D)
Life would be very boring if we all like the same things.
So, Doc, ease up. enjoy your Harley and stop letting other people rent space in your head. It is really no different that those hybrid driving weenies that scream and flip the bird at Hummer drivers. It really is rather funny.

Why are you guys still replying to this thread? Troll is gone and you guys telling each other why Vic is a better brand. Lol.

:rolleyes: Someone missed at least half a semester of their marketing 101 class. It has already been PROVEN that this is a VERY successful marketing technique by a little company named..AVIS :rolleyes:


*Avis doesn't sell motorcycles.
*There is no romanticism, or mystique attached to Hertz.
*People who have never rented a car/truck don't have a strong enough loyalty to Hertz that they would pay a higher price just to have a truck with "HERTZ" painted on the side, because anything else would not be cool or socially acceptable.
*No one thinks that a Hertz rental will get them laid because chicks dig Hertz.
*No one feels that a Hertz rental is a symbol of status & wealth.


Comparison fail.

half crazy....Gotta admit....You're right on all counts. You've really thought about this one.

*Avis doesn't sell motorcycles.
*There is no romanticism, or mystique attached to Hertz.
*People who have never rented a car/truck don't have a strong enough loyalty to Hertz that they would pay a higher price just to have a truck with "HERTZ" painted on the side, because anything else would not be cool or socially acceptable.
*No one thinks that a Hertz rental will get them laid because chicks dig Hertz.
*No one feels that a Hertz rental is a symbol of status & wealth.

Comparison fail.

That closed mind thing works both ways you know? I don't know why you tried to inject ANY of those points into the Marketing 101 statement. You appear to be falling into Doc's thinking in your reply. They are irrelevant to my point that...

Victory positioning themselves as #2 is a VERY good idea. The new American Motorcycle campaign doesn't have a THING to do with those things you listed as HD "benefits" (romantisim, mystique, getting laid OR status symbol). Those are all things that HD (and Doc) WANTS you to base your decision upon and they are "irrelevant" to that particular campaign so "don't be a Doc"...thumb up

In fact, the ONLY common thread is that ..."If you want an American bike, consider Victory on equal footing with the #1 selling US-built bike manufacturer and break free of the pack (e.g. Ditch #1 in favor of us)"

That closed mind thing works both ways you know? I don't know why you tried to inject ANY of those points into the Marketing 101 statement. You appear to be falling into Doc's thinking in your reply.

What I am doing is called playing 'devil's advocate'. So from that position I must use Doc's thinking, obviously.


Allow me to try and clarify my own thinking here. When we Victory owners spend time justifying why we went with Victory, all the while while using Harley as our benchmark for comparison, we are doing Victory a disservice. We appear to be in the defensive position. We are giving an impression that we somehow settled for less and need to justify that to ourselves and others.

I am not particularly brand loyal. I bought a motorcycle, not a brand or a lifestyle. If Honda had built the Kingpin I'd be riding a Honda. If Harley built the Kingpin I'd be riding a Harley. I'm not a cheerleader for Victory, I just like the bikes they build and the direction they are taking with their model line-up.

Remember that 2nd place is just 1st loser. If 2nd place is what Victory motorcycles is aspiring to I feel they need to aim a bit higher. While they may not be able to lead the world in motorcycle sales, they can certainly build superior motorcycles to what is offered by their competition. In my mind they already do or I would have spent my money elsewhere.

...Allow me to try and clarify my own thinking here.

Not necessary. We already understand your position and agree with it (to an extent).

Remember that 2nd place is just 1st loser. If 2nd place ...Blah, blah, blah, blah

2nd place is NOT 1st loser. It is a lucrative position that a company can effectively market from. Avis makes a TON of profit, Pepsi is a VERY successful company, etc. Victory can and IS already a very successful company and does not NEED to be measured against HD but it can successfully leverage HD's market recognition to Victory's benefit (my point)...

If your objective is to displace HD as #1 in volume your missing the point. if your contention is that Victory is #1 in "your mind" and you want to figure out how to make it #1 in others minds...then this isn't the right thread. Start a new one and let this thread die on the vine as it should now that the instigator has been removed from the equation.

As for me, I am done with this ongoing pointless diatribe. We are all on the same side so the only thing that is occurring is ongoing "preaching to the choir"...IMHO

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So... you called me closed minded but we agree????

Victory can and IS already a very successful company and does not NEED to be measured against HD but it can successfully leverage HD's market recognition to Victory's benefit (my point)...

How? Adopt the slogan "We're second best"? That's embarassing....

If your objective is to displace HD as #1 in volume your missing the point. if your contention is that Victory is #1 in "your mind" and you want to figure out how to make it #1 in others minds...then this isn't the right thread.

Maybe it would help if you read what I posted again... slower... more deliberately. That wasn't what I said at all.

I figured out where the disconnect is. You're saying the object is sales and making money. I'm saying build the best damned bike and sales/profits will take care of themselves. I don't want to 'settle' for the '2nd best' bike (and I doubt you do either).



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Saw this in a book written by a guy named Bill

yep its toward the end of the book.

I figured out where the disconnect is. You're saying the object is sales and making money. I'm saying build the best damned bike and sales/profits will take care of themselves. I don't want to 'settle' for the '2nd best' bike (and I doubt you do either).

I agree with the disconnect observation. However, I am TRULY not concerned about whether someone thinks what I ride is 2nd best. It just does not matter to me what other people think. I buy what I think has value so I don't really care if others have some type of superiority complex associated with a bike or a car. I drive a 7-series BMW but I don't drive it because others envy it, I drive it because I think that a used version is a great value...to me.

I found one more quote that is a fantastic analogy of this thread...

"To fight the Empire is to be infected by its derangement. This is a paradox; whoever defeats a segment of the Empire becomes the Empire; it proliferates like a virus, imposing its form on its enemies. Thereby it becomes its enemies."
- Philip K Dick, VALIS

Annotation applicable to this discussion...
"To fight the Empire (aka HD) is to be infected by its derangement (artificial superiority complex). This is a paradox; whoever (Victory) defeats a segment of the Empire becomes the Empire (The new#1); it proliferates like a virus, imposing its form on its enemies (If Victory overtakes HD, other MFGs will start replicating Victory's success). Thereby it becomes its enemies (e.g. You get your way as #1 and thus become the new enemy you were fighting to overthrow).

Image is less worrysome to me than a cloudy day.

What I'm saying is BUILD THE BEST BIKE and when advertising this bike, do not even acknowledge the competitor or make any sort of comparison. Advertise from the position that there are no competitors and your product is beyond compare.



Image... yes...
Bike event at the drag strip... 500 motorcycles in the pits... anyone can race all they want, all day long, for an additional $10. Almost every bike in the place has some sort of performance gear... at a minimum pipes/airbox/fuel controller. There are only THIRTY FIVE bikes making passes down the track.

The bikes are loud and sound really badassed like a Top Fuel Funny Car. They totally portray an image if power. But... the image of being powerful is what they are after. They won't make a pass down the track as it will give away that it's all a ruse. Image without substance. Loud and proud, cammin' idle, shiny chrome gleaming in the sun... $2,000 in performance enhancements and making the same power as a STOCK Victory.

Keep the image, I'll take the substance.

What I'm saying is BUILD THE BEST BIKE and when advertising this bike, do not even acknowledge the competitor or make any sort of comparison. Advertise from the position that there are no competitors and your product is beyond compare.


We have understood your position all along but you are beating a dead horse with an empty arena listening. Victory's current campaign is obviously successful and I personal agree with Victory's current methods. They are experiencing rapid growth numbers under the current marketing plan so I don't see them changing to your recommendations anytime soon. Sorry to hear that you don't like the current marketing approach but no one really cares how YOU want them to market their products. Now, suck it up and move on soldier:crzy:

Would one of the mods please close this thread so that it can die an official death?

We have understood your position all along but you are beating a dead horse with an empty arena listening. Victory's current campaign is obviously successful and I personal agree with Victory's current methods. They are experiencing rapid growth numbers under the current marketing plan so I don't see them changing to your recommendations anytime soon. Sorry to hear that you don't like the current marketing approach but no one really cares how YOU want them to market their products. Now, suck it up and move on soldier:crzy:

Would one of the mods please close this thread so that it can die an official death?

This is a discussion forum. I am offering my opinion in a discussion. Sorry to bother you.

This is a discussion forum. I am offering my opinion in a discussion. Sorry to bother you.

Hey, at least I "played along" for a little while. I think everyone else left about 3 hours ago. This thread just feels like we are the last two guys standing at the counter of a bar that closed it's doors hours ago discussing something we both love but neither of us has any control of how the company actually markets it's products. I'm sure we will find each other again on another thread that hasn't lived past it's prime. Take Care! thumb up

Hey, at least I "played along" for a little while. I think everyone else left about 3 hours ago. This thread just feels like we are the last two guys standing at the counter of a bar that closed it's doors hours ago discussing something we both love but neither of us has any control of how the company actually markets it's products. I'm sure we will find each other again on another thread that hasn't lived past it's price. Take Care! thumb up

Come on fellas.....Last call was hours ago, and we all want to clean up and get out of here. So quit nursing your thread, and type up.
You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here

Doc sounds like an A-Hole who needs to drink from a steaming cup of STFU! What a clown!

Come on fellas.....Last call was hours ago, and we all want to clean up and get out of here. So quit nursing your thread, and type up.
You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here

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