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#1 ·
After 700 miles with the Cobra Powerpro and no issues I decide to wash my Xc. had to get the Key West salt off it. I Went for a ride last night and there appeared the check engine light. While riding I scrolled thru the readout on the dash and found 2 codes.

Err 1 17 520205 and Err 0 17 520204 :confused:

I was hoping that some one could tell me what this means. I continued to ride it to home. I didnt notice any change in performance. Oil temp was 230 degrees and as always the compensator noise thing is still there ! :(

I hope this is'nt Cobra Powerpro related and maybe moisture related due to the wash. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
#4 ·
Hi-C,

Thanks for replying! I had to go to work early this am and could"nt reply back to you.

Even with the powerpro hooked up and working according to the indicator light on the programmer it could still be affected by water? I will take you advise and retrace my install with di-electric grease. If that does'nt work then I will remove the tuner to see if that fixes the problem. I can clearly see that your chart says lean condition. I thankyou for that info.

Is there anything else I should possibly look for? cheers
 
#5 ·
On your powerpro in stead of un hooking every thing just un hook the ground that will shutting it off.
Hes right with the grease it prevent water. Use it on turn signal bulbs and head light bulbs. A little goes a long ways.
 
#6 ·
Thanks johnny, I will disconnect the ground. Will the connection to the O2's & injectors still work as well? I thought the PP needed to be connected to send a signal. I dunno :crzy: just asking.
 
#7 ·
Is it still throwing the codes? If it's water related, could have false grounded the O2 sensors with water. Dielectric grease could help that. Otherwise, I am not much help. Good luck!!

I've been watching the Cobra debate because I want a tuner as well, just waiting for some "burn in" time for these and to see what Lloyd is coming up with. I do know I am far to lazy to take the bike to a Dyno tuner so self adjustable works for me... :)
 
#8 ·
I will be cleaning all the connections this morning and post back. If that doesnt work then the controller goes back to Cobra for testing and the bike goes to the dealer for this compensator issue that seems to be getting more pronounced.

I know, I know, Thats another post. Thanks for your replys ! cheers
 
#9 ·
Slickvic. it's not a connection problem. My wife and I are on a trip and my bike showed the same error codes today. When we got to a stopping place, I called cobra. They had their Victory tech call me 5 minutes later. He said we could fix it over the phone. I popped open the case for the CVT. There's a square blue box on the lower right hand side. It has a red dot in the 7 o'clock position. turn the adjustment screw in the center clockwise to the 9-10 o'clock position. That fixed it for me.

That adjustment is for the timing of adding fuel at steady state, so turning it from 7 to the 9 position add's it a few more microseconds early.

Hope this helps.
 
#10 ·
Sweet! No error code on mine, but I will follow the same advise. Thanks for sharing that! cheers
 
#11 ·
The guy's name is Phil and is a pretty cool dude. He stayed on the phone with me until I was satisfied, had me save his phone number in case anything else came up in the future. He was pretty excited about the Victory version of the fuel controller and said it was his baby. Good stuff. He should be sending me a troubelshooting chart that he made for the Victory CVT. Once I get it I will post it here for all of us that have them.
 
#12 ·
I just got back home and checked this thread. Thanks Basshawk for the info. I still have the bike apart and went thru every connection. Dielectric greased all and made sure that the ground was tight on PP and battery.
When I called Cobra they gave me some idiot that didnt know ****. He just said that he has never heard of that problem before and to use Dielectric grease and retrace your steps.

So how did your bike perform after the new setting ? Could you feel any differences ?

Is it possible to get Phils # ? You may PM me if you like. I look forward to the trouble shoot chart when you post cheers
 
#14 ·
@basshawk84: When I looked to open up my PowrPro, there was no obvious clip, or screw to open, unless I've covered it with the velcro strip in the center. Can you shed any light into the easiest way to open the thingamagiger? Thanks.
 
#17 ·
CrossRoads, How did you make out ? Did you set for 9 or 10 or what? I'm thinking with similar mods that I would start with 9 and work up from there if need be.

Some time ago you were getting the compensator thingy done. did that ever come about? Everytime I mention it to my dealer I get the run around. Startin to think its a waist of time. I wonder how the newer model owners are doing with there transmissions.
 
#15 · (Edited)
It just pops apart, so you can use a knife or flat blade screwdriver on the end that the cable comes out of. I actually opened mine up with my thumb nail. Then when you're done, just snap it back together.

Phil said that it would take about 600-700 miles for that issue to show up if it's going to. So not all bikes will have the problem from what he can tell.
 
#16 ·
I wonder why it takes so long to show up? Mine showed up 1st at about 350mi then again after at 710mi. There must be a learning process here.

So you hav'nt had a problem since ? What exactly did you set yours for? 9 or 10. I wonder if different mods would mean different settings. Now that we learned something new, The new questions will come next. Thanks again Basshawk for saving the day! cheers
 
#19 ·
Long shot I know, but does cranking this dial up also help with eliminating the rest of the popping?
 
#22 ·
No, not doing the torque compensator anymore. :D See this: http://www.victoryforums.com/showpost.php?p=72930&postcount=7[/QUOTE]

if you dont have too much noise, leave it alone. i have a lot of
lash in 5th gear. a little more in the others.you can really feel
and hear it in the bumpy stuff. my noise was very mild. should
have kept the old setup.
 
#23 ·
Faulty PowerPro

Sorry to report: After doing all that was suggested. I still get error codes and check eng.

Happy to report: That after disconnecting the PowerPro the bike is fine. Looks like I got a dud !! :ltr:

Tried calling Phil and so far no retun call. I dont expect one on saturday. They will be getting this one back!

The new observation is : WHY ??? Does this unit have to be adjusted when it is supposed to be factory set and tested for these bikes and why a lean code ? That could be dangerous under full throttle. Not happy! Now I need answers from the people that made this thing. The old saying still goes "never buy the 1st yr of anything new "!

For now I will I will disconnect the O2's and wait for Cobra's reply.
Stay tuned wac
 
#24 ·
The wife and I just got back from our trip. I had to make another adjustment to the Cobra, now the little blue dial is in about the 11 o'clock position. We ran just over 900 miles and gas mileage was from 39 - 47 mpg. The bike performed well, rain or shine!! I had a couple of gas stops take longer than normal with folks coming over to ask me about the XCT!

Slickvic, sorry to hear you couldn't correct the error condition with the dial. When I tlaked to Phil, he said they had two test bikes and both worked well at the 7 o'clock setting which is why it was set that way from them. I believe they will make it right for you. Let us know.
 
#25 ·
apparently they didnt do a long ride in their testing. My problem showed up intermittenly at 300+ miles then on off with the ck eng and now steady err code even dialed at 10 to 11. After disconnecting the unit all is ok.. Still waiting on Phil..
 
#29 ·
I have a CVT waiting for me at home and am following these lean code issues on the forum.

Basshawk- I am curious to see how it functions with the O2 sensors unhooked. Hopefully that make it continually adjust even while at cruise.

Really hoping these issues get sorted out soon as I have another week-ish before I can install mine.

Good luck guys!thumb up
 
#34 ·
Running with O2's disconnected at the moment with the Cobra still installed. I did 50 miles yesterday after work with no issues and not much change in fuel mileage. I am trying to put over 100 today after work so we'll see.
 
#35 ·
the problem you have if it's a bad ground, is that that would "shave" voltage at times. if you start losing voltage off the "top" of the fuel curve(as far as the ECU is concerned) it never sees the voltage that tell it "rich enough" and you get a long term trim "lean" even though the bike is running fine. it's not a "you're bike is running lean code" its a "the ECU THINKS your bike is running lean code"
 
#36 ·
That s what Phil said. He built these units for Cobra. One of the tests will be placing the ground of the PowerPro directly to the ground on the battery. So far Basshawk has put 50 miles on his bike with no O2 s connected and no codes as of yet. If the ground is the problem, how would we know it if the O2's are disconnected?

Some how I get the feeling that the O2 connection does not need to be there in order for the PowerPro to work. But I also get the feeling that if you run O2 disconnected your ECU will not be able to inform you of any conditions.

My replacement unit is on the way and we will just have to wait and see. I appreciate your input on this topic (problem). Sound like you understand it pretty well.
 
#37 · (Edited)
I've noticed that my bike runs about 40 degrees cooler with the 02's disconnected. My bike is 100% stock. I plugged the o2's back in yesterday and the temp was right back up there. My 08 Jackpot was the same way. I'm going to disconnect the sensors today and leave them permanently unplugged. I'm planning on installing a power commander pc v when I do my exhaust and air filter as well as the lloydz reflash to the computer. That's how I had my 08 JP set up and never had any issues. I have Kyle from KMC Powersports make me map and never have to look back. Stock narrow band o2 sensors are not capable of keeping up with wide band o2 sensors like the ones that come with power commanders auto tune setup. The stock sensors are there to just to keep the bike at a lean state under all conditions and keep the EPA happy. :D
 
#39 ·
the only people who worry about the o2 sensors are the EPA. AND more to the point the only reason o2 sensors even exist, is because the EPA mandated the all "emission" systems on vehicles needed to have a certain "lifespan" cars it's (i believe) 80,000 miles, and bike 50-60,000 miles of preset function. for example if your fuel pump is starting to lose pressure an o2 sensor can make up for it. keeping the bike within emission range.
you don't NEED o2 sensors for ANYTHING other than keeping emissions for the "life" of your bike
 
#40 ·
Update: I'm now over 400 miles since I disconnected the O2 sensors with the Cobra and no check engine lights. I am now slowly adjusting the dial back down to improve gas mileage, but have no rideability issues. Setting right now is at 9 o'clock position and averaging almost 40 mpg riding two up at 65 mph.
 
#41 ·
Learning from someone else's goof

So, in the hopes that this solves someone else a potential panic attack, I will go ahead and share how to disconnect the O² sensors if you have the Cobra FI2000 PowrPro. Not because it's a difficult task, but since I fell for the opportunity to do it wrong, I figured someone else will find this helpful.

I disconnected the O² sensors, and started up the bike. Within about 5 seconds at idle, check engine light came on. I reconnected the O² sensors, restarted again, and all was good. So that told me that something I had done was not right. But what could it have been? All I did was disconnect the two sensors, which I had done before, prior to the fuel controller.

It then dawn on me that I had disconnected them the wrong way. Yes, there is such thing as a wrong way. I had disconnected the wire that comes from the sensor itself and plugs into the Cobra connector. This left the fuel controller talking to the ECU, but without the input from the O² sensor. This is what causes the check engine light to come on and throw the lean codes, because the fuel controller tells something to the ECU that makes the ECU go into panic mode.

I have left the O² sensor plugged into the Cobra PowrPro, and unplugged the connector between the fuel controller and the O² sensor that goes to the ECU. No error codes, all is good.

So, if there is only one thing you'll remember off this post, remember this: Do not disconnect O² sensor from the fuel controller, leaving the fuel controller connected to the ECU.
 
#44 ·
So, in the hopes that this solves someone else a potential panic attack, I will go ahead and share how to disconnect the O² sensors if you have the Cobra FI2000 PowrPro. Not because it's a difficult task, but since I fell for the opportunity to do it wrong, I figured someone else will find this helpful.

I disconnected the O² sensors, and started up the bike. Within about 5 seconds at idle, check engine light came on. I reconnected the O² sensors, restarted again, and all was good. So that told me that something I had done was not right. But what could it have been? All I did was disconnect the two sensors, which I had done before, prior to the fuel controller.

It then dawn on me that I had disconnected them the wrong way. Yes, there is such thing as a wrong way. I had disconnected the wire that comes from the sensor itself and plugs into the Cobra connector. This left the fuel controller talking to the ECU, but without the input from the O² sensor. This is what causes the check engine light to come on and throw the lean codes, because the fuel controller tells something to the ECU that makes the ECU go into panic mode.

I have left the O² sensor plugged into the Cobra PowrPro, and unplugged the connector between the fuel controller and the O² sensor that goes to the ECU. No error codes, all is good.

So, if there is only one thing you'll remember off this post, remember this: Do not disconnect O² sensor from the fuel controller, leaving the fuel controller connected to the ECU.
It's a nice cool 65 in sunny south Florida. Went to start my bike and it has an eratic idle. Course I just started it and let it run for about 2 mins before I revved up to about 3500 rpm but it just didnt sound right. My Cobra unit is still installed with no O2's connected.

Last couple of rides I found her stalling at lights a few times and that got me concerned. I decided after reviewing many threads on 02 sensor disconnects that I would try to just connect the factory O2 connections and leave the Cobra O2's out of the picture. (which I had been doing all along since I installed this second tuner). Started the bike and it went to a perfect idle and seems to be back to normal. I'm starting to think that the ECU needs these O2's connected in order to run this bike properly. I just hope leaving the Tuner plugged in and the factory O2's only connected will be o.k.

Any of you fellas having the same issues?
 
#43 ·
Did 500 miles this weekend . O2's disconnected and no error codes. My bike ran strong and pulled very hard. Cobra is set for around 8 to 9 o'clock and my fuel mileage was around 47 to 49 mpg. Except for occasional burbling on decel with minor pops it ran great. LLoyds IAV should fix that but it doesnt really bother me.
 
#50 ·
Did 500 miles this weekend . O2's disconnected and no error codes. My bike ran strong and pulled very hard. Cobra is set for around 8 to 9 o'clock and my fuel mileage was around 47 to 49 mpg. Except for occasional burbling on decel with minor pops it ran great. LLoyds IAV should fix that but it doesn't really bother me.
So you know getting above 45mpg your burning your exhaust valves.
That will be a expensive fix
 
#46 ·
Just got off the phone with Phil. He says I should be fine with the factory O2's connected. I'll try it this way and see what happens. :confused:
 
#47 ·
I tried it that way and still got error codes which is why I have everything disconnected now. BTW, I've now got the Cobra set at the factory setting of 7. My gas mileage is back around where it was. If I keep it under 65 mph, I'm getting low to mid 40's mpg. On the interstate at 70-75, it's around 38-40 mpg.
 
#48 ·
Man I hope that doesnt happen to me again. I'm out of options! Right now my bike is running much better after O2's (Factory only)connected. I got better slow speed response at the throttle. No stalling. Popping while shifting is way reduced. Decel popping gone. Acceleration feels stronger and cleaner no doubt due to the leaner mixture after re connecting the stock O2's. I rode all day sunday with no problems and a smooth resposive bike. Hope this works.
 
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