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Old 11-18-2012, 10:51 PM   #21
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Raccoon,

Just a minor clarification: the Brukus bolts have a pin in the center. The Torx-LIKE tool that they provide has a hollow center, so that its shaft fits over that pin, so that the rest of the tool can engage the rest of the inside of the bolt head. Thus, I'm pretty sure that an ordinary Torx bit won't work on these bolts.

That said, in keeping with what you say, anyone with a pry bar can open the saddlebag lids and get at the contents. Anyone with a knife, screwdriver, key, etc., can damage them big time.

I got my Brukus set shortly after buying my XCT mostly because I read some posts of the stock fasteners coming updone. That is, not only don't I want my bags stolen, I don't want them bouncing down the road, either.

Regarding damaged bags, BTW, I also posted a rant concerning how expensive parts for the bags are (see http://www.victoryforums.com/showthread.php?t=11516 ), the executive summary of which is that it's cheaper to buy a new set of TWO than to buy parts for ONE bag. Go figure.
I am one of those guys that lost one of his bags. My bike had less than 1,000 miles on it, a 2011 Cross Roads, when I was coming down the hill from Reno, Nevada back to Sacramento, California and got chased down by a great motorist who told me one of my bags fell off. The bag was totally jacked. I found a new set from Toledo Honda (they sell Victory) for something under $500 (if I remember correctly) and replaced the bag. I was shocked at how Polaris/Victory did not stand behind this obvious flaw. I put on the Brukas bolt system and have never had a problem since. Is it a little more expensive? Yep. However, it works flawlessly and I just do not have to give it any thought. Undoing the bolt to check air or clean my bike just takes a minute and well worth the security. Just remember... if you lose a bag, Polaris/Victory will do nothing so... spending the few bucks for the bolts will save you tons. Anyone need a new left side bag???? I have one as I only lost the right side only.
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:22 AM   #22
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Default "Obvious Flaw"

"Obvious Flaw"? How can any company be responsible for the way an owner uses the product? They have no way to insure that an owner has used the Dzus fastners correctly, making sure that they are installed right and tight. Just contact your insurance company.
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:37 AM   #23
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I was considering this until a friend lost a bag held on by a system similar, different bolts but close. What keeps the bolt from backing out, pressure or a fitting to wear out?
And theft, I tried getting in to the back of the stock hardware and not much luck on my XC Tour.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:11 AM   #24
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"Obvious Flaw"? How can any company be responsible for the way an owner uses the product? They have no way to insure that an owner has used the Dzus fastners correctly, making sure that they are installed right and tight. Just contact your insurance company.
Yes, an "obvious flaw". How many cars can you buy today that anything attached to it has the ability to fall off and create such a hazard? Just think if that bag hit another motorcycle and caused them to get killed or struck a car and it swerved and caused an accident that seriously injured or killed someone. Generally, under the common law, a design defect often requires a showing of negligence; however, strict liability may be imposed for an unreasonably dangerous design if the plaintiff can present evidence that there was a cost-effective alternative design that would have prevented the risk of injury.

At least that is my opinion...
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:39 AM   #25
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I was considering this until a friend lost a bag held on by a system similar, different bolts but close. What keeps the bolt from backing out, pressure or a fitting to wear out?
And theft, I tried getting in to the back of the stock hardware and not much luck on my XC Tour.
This system uses pressure, in the form of an offset washer, to keep it from backing out. If for some reason it does come loose, youre going to have some time to notice it. Additionally, both bolts will have to come loose and completely back out before you had an event like described above. Statistically, this shouldn't ever happen.

The first time i took my bags off and put them back on, i didn't seat one of the stock pins correctly and didn't notice it until i opened the bag the next day. I had nightmare visions of doing that again someday and losing a bag like others have done with the stock pins. The new system is almost impossible to put on incorrectly.

A learned thief can remove the stock pinned bags with a quarter turn of some filed down pliers (there are videos showing this) in under 20 seconds. The bolt system would take a lot more time.

I bought the system, not so much for antitheft, but because its more idiot-proof than the stock system. While i don't consider myself an idiot, I do sometimes act like one...
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