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Old 11-25-2012, 10:49 AM   #491
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Boehner says 98% of what we wanted. 98% and that dbag says no. Why did he say no? Simple it would have assured Obama of reelection. So McConnell tells Boehner table this until WE thebalmightnRepublican Party win in November so Boehner the biggest wimp, crybaby, wuss on the planet caves. Rating goes down but who gives a shit about the USA you guys needed to win the WH?

Then you run the 2nd biggest dbag on the planet and get blown out. Now if Mitch and Boehner don't get reelected life will be great.

BTW Lance read the debt reduction plan. It was loaded, loaded, loaded with SPending Cuts!!!!!! 98% who would turn that kind of deal down?
I imagine those were cuts on 'proposed' spending increases or some such crap.... Obama isn't about cutting gov't, don't forget Big Bird, he won't cut ANYTHING real.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:50 AM   #492
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Although Obama and his fellow Democrats repeatedly call on wealthier Americans to pay their "fair share," they never specify what percentage of the nation's tax burden the wealthy would have to bear. As matters stand, the top 1 percent of American households paid 39 percent of income taxes in 2009, according to the most recent data compiled by the Congressional Budget Office, and the top 5 percent of taxpayers paid 64 percent.

I've been asked why I stick up for the rich when I am not rich.

It's for the same reason I stick up for smokers who pay, in my opinion, more than their fair share in taxes by simply buying a product and then those tax money's are used to help someone else.

Well, if the cause is just and right, shouldn't everyone bear the burden and not just the smokers?

The rich are only 1-2% of this country's population. Our system of government is suppose to prevent 98% from sticking it to 2%.

And you know it won't stop there. In short order that 2% will soon become the top 50% because just taxing the top 2% more isn't going to cut it. Plus, unlike the to top 2%, the other 48% can't just move away and say screw this to unfair taxation.

Then eventually, sooner than later, it will be the top 70% who get hammered.

I've seen this kind of thing my entire life. They, being the powers that be, never make sweeping changes the way they really want to. They do it incrementally; not unlike the frog in the pot of water.

Just in case someone hasn't heard about the frog... a frog will jump right out of a pot of hot water but if you put it in when the water is cool and then turn on the stove; the frog will stay in it - even when pot starts boiling and kills it because it got used to it slowly.

This is exactly what our government is doing to all of us now. This is not a dem or pub issue. It's an American issue and unless we fight it together; we will all lose. Not tomorrow or even next year; but sooner than most of us might think.
Amen. You liberals are sitting happy in the pot.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:53 AM   #493
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Disproven. All ready gave you the Investors Business Daily article that showed that the deficit is falling what some feel is too fast. Also, the president does not approve the budget, Congress does, so if you like give credit to your obstructionists, but don't keep spewing misinformation.

You haven't shown any gov't growth. Saying so doesn't make it so.

When an entity is in debt, they either borrow or go broke. I think most would prefer we continue to borrow while we pay off our debts. As long as we have folks lining up to loan us money at an interest rate of near zero, why wouldn't we?
The flaw in your thinking should become clear soon, China has warned us repeatedly to get our sh*t in order or else... the or else is coming.

That line to lend us money is getting thin.
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:21 AM   #494
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It's wonderful to hear all you great thinkers and learned economists lay out Obama's brilliance or stupidity.. but the key element is WHO you elected.. if he had been raised in a world of socialists and communists and then decided all that was wrong, and supported America and our Constitution, that wouldn't be so bad... but he didn't do that, he resents America and our 'flawed' Constitution and believes in class struggle and redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor...

...he's a BIG (massive) gov't guy who never saw a regulation he didn't like...

HE'S the problem... whatever he does to fool you liberals into thinking he isn't those things is simply a smoke screen.

He's an enemy of THIS Country, trying to make us into something foriegn.
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:46 AM   #495
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Here is another issue that should be of great concern to everyone. Islamic Encroachment.

There is a website dedicated to reporting the facts on this issue. One article is about how Islam is creating camps all through America where they have their own government and teach the camp members very little other than how to kill or scam Americans. Please a take a look. Maybe then you will see the need for everyone to be armed going forward.

http://vinienco.com/2012/11/18/islam...usa/islamic-2/

Believe me; they don't care if they kill dems or pubs. We are all their enemy and they are ours now.

Edit: Here is the link to the news article. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510218,00.html

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Old 11-25-2012, 12:42 PM   #496
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Heard on the news this morning that the ACA is going to charge smokers up to 50% more in premiums for their health care.

Again, I no longer smoke and don't even like to be around it anymore although I frequently am, but smokers already pay a disproportionate amount in taxes and tend to be lower income people. This just adds insult to injury.

There is proof on both sides of the issue on whether or not smoking costs more in health care costs. Since smokers tend to die earlier they don't rack up as many costs as those who live longer but they tend to get sick more often so they cost more throughout their lives.

What do you guys think about this extra cost for smokers getting obamacare? Assuming the health care premiums will be, say, $1200 a year or $100 a month as a low estimate; that would make it $1800 a year or $150 a month for smokers.

What I don't know is how the gov going to know either way? What prevents someone from just saying they don't smoke so they can get the lower rate?

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One good thing that might come out of this is smokers may be more motivated to quit smoking. By saving $50 a month in premiums and $200-$300 a month in cig costs; that would make for a nice little pay raise for those who do quit.

Maybe even afford a brand new Victory of their choice.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:00 PM   #498
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I agree. I think Neil Bortz is a moron, but he was right about one thing, converting our tax system to a consumption based (Fair Tax) model is the single best thing we could ever do.

Reasons it will never happen:

1) Individuals will hold power over their tax rates by their own consumption decisions.

2) Politicians will hold no sway over any constituency because there would be no deductions, you spend X dollars, you pay Y tax on it, end of story.

3) It would put a lot of people dependent on the complexity of our tax system out of work.
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A consumption tax would hurt the poor the most, except that the plan is to give the poor a tax credit to get that money back, so it'll just stick it to the middle class, nice plan.
As stated by Lance, a consumption based tax would be a horrible idea. The exact reason for that is the distribution of wealth. At certain levels, the amount of money spent on "consumption" starts to drop on a percentage basis. The poor spend all they have on it, the middle class the majority of it, the rich a lot of and the wealthy a relatively small portion of it.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:04 PM   #499
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And I guess YOU are the arbiter of what adults can and can't say... f you.

You thought/speech police make a nice fit in Obama's world.
Nope. Just stating my opinion. You seem to take issue when others do so or when someone else takes issue with your opinion. You've shown your maturity (or lack there of) in both your childish ways and your inability to do much other than parrot what others say. You've shown time and time again you're not a person of action, rather a person of words...words you don't even follow through on yourself. While I may not be a fan of Obama's world, I'd much rather be in that world than the one you belong to.
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I too agree that the fair tax plan is anything but fair. The rich can easily afford it and would not feel it at all. The lower the income the more it hurts the consumer.

No one wants to comment on obamacare taxing smokers an extra 50%? Is this a non issue to the folks following this thread? I see it as more unfair taxation just like the fair tax model.
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