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Old 11-26-2012, 12:32 AM   #511
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One could make consumption taxes progressive too. And yes, the idea is to give low income people a credit for some level of spending.



That's just it, with a consumption tax, only YOU are sticking anything to YOURself as YOU control YOUR consumption and thereby YOUR level of taxation.

You want people to have incentive to save to provide for their future, there you go. Besides, wouldn't it be nice to people engaged in our black market economy kick in a little to the kitty too?
Nice plan, big gov't keeps me from buying things.... sooner or later you'll get it, that a huge expanding gov't will require more and more taxes from YOU, and sooner or later, if you're not rolling in money it will hurt, and you'll realize such tax and spend economics is not going to work, the gov't will have to CUT ITS SPENDING.

Not gonna happen in your liberal world of bigger and more expensive gov't.

With some sort of consuption tax on top of everything else I probably couldn't have afforded my Victory... it's an added expense now that is difficult for me... so glad that big brother could have "helped me figure out what I really need and what I don't"... I'm glad you're happy with such a nanny state but I'd rather make MY choices.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:37 AM   #512
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Nope. Just stating my opinion. You seem to take issue when others do so or when someone else takes issue with your opinion. You've shown your maturity (or lack there of) in both your childish ways and your inability to do much other than parrot what others say. You've shown time and time again you're not a person of action, rather a person of words...words you don't even follow through on yourself. While I may not be a fan of Obama's world, I'd much rather be in that world than the one you belong to.
You're a bigger fan of Obama that you think.

You can have your opinion, and I mine, right? Or is it only one way... and if I think you're whiney about what should or shouldn't be said I'll say that... and you can say what ever you like... see how that works.

I "seem to take issue when someone else takes issue with my opinion" ah, yeah, that's what people do when they disagree and state their opinions...

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Old 11-26-2012, 01:19 AM   #513
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What's the difference between this and a MC club, a country club, or a fraternity? Aren't they all making their own rules (governing) for their members? If a member of such an organization breaks US law, are they given dispensation because they are members of a private club?
Wow. Tell me you are kidding. I know you like to spin everything around to suit your version of what is right and true but this is even beyond nutty to think there is any comparison at all.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:30 AM   #514
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Wow. Tell me you are kidding. I know you like to spin everything around to suit your version of what is right and true but this is even beyond nutty to think there is any comparison at all.
I'm not spinning anything, I'm asking you a question. If there is a difference, what is it?
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:33 AM   #515
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Nice plan, big gov't keeps me from buying things.... sooner or later you'll get it, that a huge expanding gov't will require more and more taxes from YOU
You are deflecting and flopping about like a fish out of water. A consumption tax would eliminate an income tax. And paying tax when you consume would no more keep you from buying things than paying an income tax keeps you from working.

Nothing was said about paying more tax, the issue is about how the taxes are collected.
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I'm not spinning anything, I'm asking you a question. If there is a difference, what is it?
I'm not going to dignify that with an answer but I will ask you a question.

If you like the socialist style of government so much; why don't you move to where it already exists instead trying to change America?

It has never worked anywhere it has been tried. What makes liberals think it will here and now?

It won't work anywhere because it is a failed concept. The definition of lunacy is to keep doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome. This why I believe the liberal mind is a sick mind in need of treatment.
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I'm not going to dignify that with an answer but I will ask you a question.
IOW, you agree with me, but need a way out.

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If you like the socialist style of government so much; why don't you move to where it already exists instead trying to change America?
You aren't making any sense. The US Constitution gives you the right of free assembly. If you don't want those people to be able to assemble and form clubs, then it is you who wants to "transform" our country.

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It has never worked anywhere it has been tried. What makes liberals think it will here and now?
You need to travel more extensively.

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It won't work anywhere because it is a failed concept.
This is the one thing I've never understood about hard core conservatives. If you are sure something is going to fail, then allow it to be tried. Once it fails, you can forever look back on it and scoff the way everyone else does about the conservative reign under GWB.
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:07 AM   #518
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You're a bigger fan of Obama that you think.

You can have your opinion, and I mine, right? Or is it only one way... and if I think you're whiney about what should or shouldn't be said I'll say that... and you can say what ever you like... see how that works.

I "seem to take issue when someone else takes issue with my opinion" ah, yeah, that's what people do when they disagree and state their opinions...

True. But the issue is you get on others when they disagree with you yet you turn around and do the same thing while name calling and reacting like a child. That is called hypocrisy. A character trait you've displayed many times already in this thread.

And as for being a fan of Obama, I'm pretty sure I'm much more aware of how much of a fan of his I am or am not. Much better than you. He's done/been a part some things I like and many things I don't like. And others I'm very against.
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Wow. Tell me you are kidding. I know you like to spin everything around to suit your version of what is right and true but this is even beyond nutty to think there is any comparison at all.
I don't feel like digging back to find it...but weren't the one trying to use a terrorist crossing the border and killing people as a reason for Photo ID?
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You are deflecting and flopping about like a fish out of water. A consumption tax would eliminate an income tax. And paying tax when you consume would no more keep you from buying things than paying an income tax keeps you from working.

Nothing was said about paying more tax, the issue is about how the taxes are collected.
As stated before, a consumption tax would be a HORRIBLE idea in the real world due to the heavily weighted distribution. The bulk of taxes are paid by the top 10%. But the consumption rate by that bracket is not nearly as high as the lower 90%. The lower 90% spends most if not all of it's income in order to "survive". While the amount spent by the top 10% is massive in comparison, the percentage spent in comparison to their income is much lower. And making it progressive would more likely than not result in a very complicated system no better than what we currently have.

The only thing Lance has ever typed that I can agree with is that spending needs to be cut. A big chunk can and should come from the military. This combined with cuts in many other areas as well will only be a start. And the problem is, most things as they are right now will suffer from a tax cut. But people have a way of adapting. This combined with a level, regulated tax playing field will help greatly.
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