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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 04-28-2015, 01:12 PM Thread Starter
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Default If A Police Officer Shoots A Rioter?

Let's say someone has a reason to be mad, decided to start riling people up, throwing rocks, burning police cars, breaking glass and stealing from a nearby store. A policeman tells him to halt as he exits the store but he continues to run and the officer shoots and kills him.

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1)Will this stop the crowd from looting and destroying and they all will run home?

2)Will someone shoot back at the officer?

3)Will this make everything worse?

4)Will the perpetrators immediately stop, lift their hands as soon as the officer says halt, and they are arrested and then peace is at hand?

5)If 10 cops shoot at the looters, what will happen? A 100 cops shoot?

6)If all the police and national guard join hands and sing Let It Be... will this bring tears to the thugs and gangs eyes and all embrace one another like brothers?

7)If the mayor calls the governor for help before the funeral is done and asks for support, would this have been prevented?

8)If the mayor had asked for help as above and then kept her mouth shut to the media, would this had made a difference?

9)If many of the store owners would have pulled all their wares out of their stores and placed the products on the streets before the funeral was done for everyone that was mad to take home, would this have prevented the problems in Baltimore?

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10)What would you do if your child wanted to mix with the crowd doing all the damage? What if it were an adult relative?
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Store owners who gather their buddies and stand in front of their businesses armed to the teeth don't seem to have problems with thugs, looters, stone throwers or Jehovah's Witnesses.

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Because these are "what if" questions here are my hypothetical answers to your questions:

1. No, it would fuel their rage and the violence would intensify.

2. If not immediately, shortly thereafter.

3. Yes, those involved would feel more entitled to continue the foolishness.

4. Not at all, they think that stealing a package of toilet paper is justified because someone was killed

5. If 10 cops shoot, 20 rioters will shoot back. 100 police shoot, 200 rioters shoot back.

6. That's just funny.

7. Only if the governor issues martial law.

8. No, the individuals involved will look for any justification behind their ridiculous actions. The mayors statements only made her look like a fool to the rest of the country. I am guessing that 99.9% of those reacting to the death of this young man, don't even know who the mayor of their city is, much less know what she says.

9. Leaving your merchandise on the streets for the thieves to take at will would not have changed the destruction of their establishments.

10. I still have enough control that I would beat my kids. I have no issue disassociating with adult family members, I've done it for much less.

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Good questions. Something I've given much thought to in the past few months.

1. No. It would be used as justification for more violence.

2. Highly likely.

3. Definitely.

4. No. People in mobs are 10 times more likely to do things they do not have the guts to do on their own.

5. Well armed and trained LE with the backing of their superiors will win in a gun fight with thugs. Sometimes I think this is what needs to happen to calm things down.
You loot, we shoot. No warning, no questions asked.

6. That's funny right there.

7. No. The governor most likely would hesitate, not wanting to offend anyone.

8. Talking to the media is always bad. Not talking to them is worse, because then they make it up.

9. No. What Ricz said is true, just be prepared to be prosecuted for defending your property.

10. The video of the mom beating her teenage son for his participation gives me a little hope that there are still responsible parents trying to maintain control. I love my family and friends, but have no trouble cutting them loose if they exhibit repeated excessive stupidity.

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I'm sure that we all remember this...

"Rodney Glen King III was an American taxi driver who became nationally known after being beaten by Los Angeles Police Department officers following a high-speed car chase on March 3, 1991."

He died in 2012 but what followed his beating in 1991 was utter chaos in L.A.

This is the mindset of this nation. In fact, not much different than ISIS.

Who cares about compassion, justice, forgiveness! Let's all use this as an excuse to wreak havoc... and the only way to stop this mindset is with a great show of force. You don't wait for the angry to blow off steam.

Why was there only one momma trying to take control of their kid? Was it because she was the only one filmed? She was the SINGLE mother of 6 kids.

At some point in our future, there will be an incident unlike any before. The lack of wise and thoughtful parenting will ultimately be the blame. The media also shares some of the blame.

What you and I know to be 'wise and thoughtful' parenting is fading fast. So, I feel my prediction has merit!
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Cops could just stop killing people for looking at them?

Cops do a important job, but this code of silence and turning a blind eye to fellow officers criminal behaviors makes them all complicit and no better than the thugs they proclaim to protect us against.

District Attorneys, Judges, and Grand Jury's failing to protect families, putting officers lives above those they are sworn to protect.

Being a COP is a dangerous job, but this shoot first attitude is about power; not law enforcement. Too many scared and untrained officers are running around on the streets of America.

You don't shoot people because the run from you or they stole a TV or a bicycle. You shoot when your life or the lives of others are in eminent danger.

Instead of training, training, training we give them tanks, grenade launchers, assault rifles and a license to destroy lives without consequence.

With all the methods of non-lethal incapacitation, shooting is that last thing that you do.

The "I thought the had a gun" story is used way to often, with to many victims of it dead on the streets.


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"What can I do to ensure the police are held accountable for their crimes against all citizens?

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Yes, there is rioting, but rioting is the manifestation of not being heard. I challenge any one of you to control your anger, if the government tried to silence any of your rights generation after generation.

Anger has no logic and you cant apply logic to it. You have to address the root cause.

If the officers who killed the young man in Baltimore were held accountable, like they did in South Carolina after that Officer shooting death. There probably would be no rioting right now.

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If these 3 Rs were taught and learned, we would not have these problems.......
RESPONSIBILITY, RESPECT, RECTITUDE.
But they aren't. Instead, we have excuses, permissiveness, tolerance, forced acceptance and political correctness. A recipe for social failure.

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Yes, there is rioting, but rioting is the manifestation of not being heard.
Nope! A child acts out because he wants attention. If he is given the correct attention early rather than later, he does not RIOT.

They have been heard but their parents refuse to hear or are non-existent. They raise themselves without instruction and then do not respect authority even if it happens to comes from a police officer who is possibly quick on the trigger, has anger issues, or is scared out of his mind because all he has seen and freaks out rather than remaining calm. Multiply this kid times thousands and you ultimately have mayhem when there is an opportunity that the media is sure to present.
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I agree these are all important attributes, but is this just for the rioters or does it apply to the police also?

In many countries when ever there has been social unrest young children and teens have always challenged the status quo. Resisting the social and economical parameters placed upon them in a attempt to facilitate change for themselves and others.

I don't believe in violence, but I cant say I know the right choice, but there comes a time when you can't explain someone else's frustration unless you are living it for yourself.

When you fight fires you have to use the appropriate method. You don't through gasoline on it or fan the flames. You find the root cause and you fix it.

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