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A guy riding a GSXR 1000 beyond his skill on Mulholland Drive should be glad he had on a full face helmet. He would've left more than just a few pieces of his bike behind if he wasn't.



Of course since I don't ride a GSX'R to the limit I'll just keep wearing my half helmet for now anyway

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A guy riding a GSXR 1000 beyond his skill on Mulholland Drive should be glad he had on a full face helmet.
In this particular case, I'd say he rode beyond the quality of his tire. I heard the engine rev way up and was set to call it another case of spinning up the rear while banked over, but in this case that happened after his front tire gave up any hope of traction. Tire was probably cold or old or both.

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Of course since I don't ride a GSX'R to the limit I'll just keep wearing my half helmet for now anyway
Pssst Goat, I hate to break it to ya, but all these two wheeled contraptions are subject to falling over. Based on that guy's body work, this wasn't the first time he's been down that road...




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I honestly think the photographers put something on that turn, silicone or something... there's a mark on the road that's suspicious, and the fact that several professionals are set up to catch the crashes every weekend make me think they are involved... I don't think that turn is much different than many other turns on Mullholland... somebody needs to investigate.

Too bad I moved several hours away or I might play detective.

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To me it looked like he panicked, came off the throttle and changed his body position most likely due to the corner tightening up on him. The front doesn't look worn to me; can't really see the rear well enough to say. May be cold but since he rode to this point they SHOULD HAVE been warmed up by then. Of course there is always the chance he stopped along the way and they cooled off. I also agree this doesn't look like the first time something like this happened to him.

As for the foreign substance in the turn... this video would dispute that conspiracy theory. But then again two different days so...

The video also shows the value of experience. Same corner, same model bike WAY different results.



It also confirms that there is a difference between 10 years of experience and one year of experience 10 time

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I honestly think the photographers put something on that turn, silicone or something... there's a mark on the road that's suspicious, and the fact that several professionals are set up to catch the crashes every weekend make me think they are involved... I don't think that turn is much different than many other turns on Mullholland... somebody needs to investigate.

Too bad I moved several hours away or I might play detective.
There's a trick to that turn that is usually not noticed until it's too late. The roadway is sloped to help you through the turn, but once you start exiting the turn, the roadway changes grade, and that's what catches everybody off guard. Until you hit the exit of the turn, you feel like you've got grip, you're in control, and all is good... and then at the turn exit the fast surprise jumps at you.

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This video starts at the 'overlook', the famous and dangerous 'turn 21' is the second sweeping turn you see in this video.... they don't crash going down, only up... and it's a very small particular patch in the road where most lose traction, watch enough of the crash videos and it gets pretty suspicious.

The most common way most people 'start' the snake is from the rock store up.... this video is the opposite way.

I would NOT want to ride that road on a weekend on my Victory CR, I'd see too many sparks, hear too much grinding, and would end up being a road block to all these cafe' racers.

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And of course if you're impressed with such things, Jay Leno is a regular fixture on weekends at the rock store... he was there one time when I was there with some old bike of his with an automatic chain oiler, that SOAKED his rear tire with oil, he said that was normal... scary.

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I honestly think the photographers put something on that turn, silicone or something... there's a mark on the road that's suspicious, and the fact that several professionals are set up to catch the crashes every weekend make me think they are involved... I don't think that turn is much different than many other turns on Mullholland... somebody needs to investigate.

Too bad I moved several hours away or I might play detective.
No need, the answer is much simpler. Men are natural show offs. Put us on film or the company of other men and we do all kinds of stupid shit. Oddly, you'd think such behavior would be reserved to impress the opposite sex for purposes of breeding, but men with women usually act like they have a little sense. Go figure.




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To me it looked like he panicked, came off the throttle and changed his body position most likely due to the corner tightening up on him.
Didn't happen until the tire started to tuck. When the tire tucked, he tried to pull it up, but when the front goes it happens way too fast.

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The front doesn't look worn to me;
Doesn't need to, those are track day tires. They have the lifespan of a nat with a chronic cough. And that type of rubber requires a good deal of heat to perform well. They develop a lot more heat at track speeds. Also, if you watch the beginning of a race, you'll notice some covers on everyones tires. Those have warmers in them specifically for that reason.

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The video also shows the value of experience. Same corner, same model bike WAY different results.

It also confirms that there is a difference between 10 years of experience and one year of experience 10 time
You could just as easily post a vid of an uber talented racer wrecking in a place where lesser men breeze thru. Anyone can have a bad day.

I went and watched GP qualifying last year at Indy and all the top stars were all wrecking in the same area, just in front of our bleacher seats. The announcers noted the change surface types at that point.

I did a track day at Mid-Ohio once with some very fresh tires. I was running with the A team and for the first several laps we were monitored to make sure no one was in over their head and the guide was making a pretty good pace for just hopping on the bikes. Anyway, my bike was fine until we got up to a corner called the horseshoe. There was a big cement patch there and every time I hit that damn thing for about the first ten laps, the tires squirmed all over the place skeerin the livin pee pee outta me. After the track got warm and the tire broken in, everything was fine.

Most times on Mulholland its a rider mistake, in this case, I'd give the guy the benefit of the doubt that his tire just went off.




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