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Default I donít have mixed feelings about IRAQ

It was a bad idea from the beginning. I was a Bush supporter but I knew this was a huge and costly mistake from the beginning. This would be a war that would never be won and the cost too high, especially in deaths and broken lives.

This whole thing has weakened our country in many ways. And it continues with the latest support Obama has promised. This is again, a mistake!

We pumped in an enormous amount of money, aid, manpower, and training to re-build Iraq. We are re-attaching the cord that was supposed to be cut.

I donít expect responses but just had to express my concerns.
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The Middle East has always been a conundrum to the West and not just because of its oil. Going in militarily can be a mistake, pulling out can be a mistake. How do you deal with a religion that espouses killing those who do not pray the same way you do? How do you deal with people who's motto is, We cherish death more than you cherish life?

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I agree with both here...and I'll add ...it has been a huge $$ maker for many here in this country. And that is why it may never wind down.

Even at the "blue collar " level. The folks that work in the Humvee..plants, the Kevlar plants etc...on constant overtime..and enjoying the fruit.
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I agree with both here...and I'll add ...it has been a huge $$ maker for many here in this country. And that is why it may never wind down.

Even at the "blue collar " level. The folks that work in the Humvee..plants, the Kevlar plants etc...on constant overtime..and enjoying the fruit.
In addition to using those products ourselves, we sell them to many other nations.

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I understand that America can not stand by and let displaced Iraqi's suffer. Our involvement basically set up this result. Who were we to think that the people of Iraq could adequately defend themselves? I didn't have to be in the military to know this. So it goes!

There will never be peace in Babylon or anywhere in the middle east... at least in my lifetime. A world of peace is a concept that will exist in the future but only for a short time.

I grew up in a time where we could leave home and cars unlocked. Now I get to watch planes crash into buildings and rockets being launched from inside cities surrounded by civilians.

ISIS, Hamas, Taliban, Al qaeda. I'm learning that there are groups and factions who live to make war. To kill! To rape! To scourage!

I get to ride on my little motorbike wherever I like. I breath fresh air, drink clean water, go to church, buy whatever I can afford, and there are so many who would love just to have fresh bread. A small roof over their heads. A decent nights sleep.

However, just down the street someone is getting in a fight with a family member and then killing them. Someone is leaving a child in a hot car to drink in a bar or get their hair done. My bank just called my wife and someone stole her debit card number and made several purchases a thousand miles away.

You know! I think that there is a just a matter of time until the USA will be so troubled itself, we will be unable to help a nation in need.
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You are all over the map here with your thoughts Mr. Pickle, but I will try and address some of them for you. The things I erased in your quote below I have no reply for.....


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I understand that America can not stand by and let displaced Iraqi's suffer. Our involvement basically set up this result. Who were we to think that the people of Iraq could adequately defend themselves? I didn't have to be in the military to know this. So it goes!

There will never be peace in Babylon or anywhere in the middle east... at least in my lifetime. A world of peace is a concept that will exist in the future but only for a short time.

If I put it into simpler terms for you, lets say your daughter was being beaten daily by her husband, would stand by and do nothing to protect her? Gods expectation of us all is to do good and not look the other way when people are in trouble. Our country not only has the ability, but the courage to take on evil wherever its is because we are a nation of God's grace. "When good men do nothing, evil flourishes"

I get to ride on my little motorbike wherever I like. I breath fresh air, drink clean water, go to church, buy whatever I can afford, and there are so many who would love just to have fresh bread. A small roof over their heads. A decent nights sleep.

For all these little things that you so much enjoy in the safety of your own country I hope that you take the time and effort to say "Thank You" so every Military man and woman and family member that you come across for their sacrifices in keeping your little world safe and secure.

You know! I think that there is a just a matter of time until the USA will be so troubled itself, we will be unable to help a nation in need.

The USA is troubled now, due mostly in fact that people just dont care enough about one another as God has intended for us all to do. "God is love"... love for all.
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You are all over the map here with your thoughts Mr. Pickle, but I will try and address some of them for you. The things I erased in your quote below I have no reply for.....
Amen!
I missed the last draft by being a little too young so I am deeply grateful and thankful to all who have served and sacrificed. I have a deep moral and spiritual ideology about where USA is and should be going. I see lots of detours as America evolves but it is as you say... we have been greatly blessed and our hope should be in God and the grace He has shown us through Jesus Christ.

I do not fret but I attempt to pray and show my concern for our nation because this is where my son and daughter will raise their family. So, this thread initially came with the thought... what would be happening this very moment IF America had not gotten involved
in the invasion of Iraq? Would they(Iraq) have been better or worse off?

Did Bush/US disobey by going there and eventually executing Sadam? Was this meant to be?

I only ask because we may be facing a situation much worse than when we sent in troops after 9/11. There are things that may have been set in motion that subsequently could be detrimental to all countries. The radical Islamist regimes are our greatest enemy. Their numbers continue to grow and they have a great hatred for Americans.

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Re the OP's first post....We have 30,000 to 40,000 troops at the DMZ between North and South Korea. Question: If we pulled those troops out of there, what do you suppose would happen? Yep, you got that right, and that's why it was a mistake to pull our troops out of Iraq, regardless what you think about our going in there to begin with. Now O has to deal with the mess he created.
Germany and Japan were occupied many years after WWII and we didn't leave until they had an operating democracy and industry.

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To answer the question in post 7....Saddam invaded five countries (we helped get him out of Kuwait) and is directly responsible for the deaths of multiple millions of peoples, including his own citizens who lived out their daily lives in great fear. The war he started with Iran cost over 2 million lives alone. As far as our invading Iraq based on the possibility of WMDs, even French and German intel believed Saddam had them.

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Germany and Japan were occupied many years after WWII and we didn't leave until they had an operating democracy and industry.
Right! The job(stabilization) was done before we left. Not the case with Iraq! Obama had votes to gather with the promise to pull troops.

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Saddam invaded five countries.... The war he started with Iran cost over 2 million lives alone.
We had an interest in Saddam's actions... Kuwait and of course, oil!
The terrorist actions of 9/11 was the catalyst for Bush to take some type of action as a show of force. Saddam paid the ultimate price but was he involved in any way with the 9/11 event? Nah!

So, what have we gained and what have we lost? I'm a conservative republican and I tried very hard to see Washington's reasoning at the time but all I felt was a dark cloud over our heads when it was finally announced that we would be invading Iraq.
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