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IMHO I would say yes if your 2 up, no if your primarily solo.
- Intergrated with sound system software. Having the VIC CB installed now for a couple months I REALLY like it's intergration with the onboard software for 2up and I think it REALLY puts you in control.
- CB is strong, have actually gotten about 1.5 miles WITHOUT line of sight, SQ open to hear the other rider but we were communicating fairly well up to almost 2.5 miles. He's on a Wing with stock CB and antenna. Within a mile SOLID, clear comm's.
- Controls stock on top but you can switch the audio and CB while you got it apart to put your PTT on the bottom for ergonomics. I left it on top and it is a little weird reaching up for the PTT there but I adjust my music more than PTT so glad its where its at.
- Head set connectors. THEY SUCK! EXTREMELY disappointed at the CHEAP MFGR of the connectors. I have pushed my headset plug through the console twice now.. Using some adhesive on the back side to provide some addtional support. Water caps are flimsy and threads are the cuplrit. ALSO, you MUST buy the riders HEADSET to aquire the connectors for front and rear head set cables. THAT in itself really P*&#$$ED me off since I already have J&M headsets in my helmets. To spend additonal money on a headset to get a connector is TOTAL BS!
- CB Mounting. Unit is mounted in trunk throat cavity so if you loose the trunk you loose your CB! LAME piss poor design. I know there are a couple folks I have read that are working on mods for the saddlebag and such but havent heard anything as of late.
- Antenna. I went with Firestick II with the stock mount for 52.99 and free shipping BUT their kit DID NOT come with the antenna spring so I got free shipping and lost out on the spring. So with that said pay attention when clicking on the links from http://www.firestik.com/CatalogFrame.htm Knowing know what I do now, I think I would have went with the FireFly but at the time wanted the white antenna to match the bike and just couldnt find it in stock with the mount and the spring. The included mount only requires minor molding modificaiton to fit the contour. Bottom line, search the web. The FSII is one thick antenna but wow, does it perform! WIll be replacing my TC's antenna now as well. Keep in mind the NGP firesticks require that you DO NOT cut their cable.. You can also buy a splitter that can feed your stereo. Havent got it but will be sooner than later. I will try to do a followup on this once I replace my stock antenna on my J&M thats on my TC for a comparison.
Headsets - I love my J&M and they have the conversion cables so if you do have intergrated helmets, no fear.

In the end, I think J&M can compete with the VIC CB which is the same one used in CanAm Spyders for about 500 less when said and done. I don't like being forced into another headset when what I have, has the available 7 pin connector cables for the CB unit (about 20 bucks I think) and works fine.

Required parts for the CB are:
CB Kit (if you call it that) 2877189 649.99
CB Harness 2878064 99.99
Driver Wired Headset 2877190 219.99
Audio Wiring Harness* 2876143 69.99
** Purcheased through KATE at Honda East. Great price and service, was a little back order but I think that is the unit itself as my buddies CanAm was backordered too and its the same head unit.

Installation is not that bad, trunk is the worst but this is an easy Saturday project. Dremmel is a MUST along with extra zip ties and a buddy when handling the trunk. Im have a PDF of 08 instructions to give you an idea at least, shoot me a PM and will email to you, may toss up some lessons learned when I get a chance... If you went with the J&M your still pulling the trunk off and breaking it down to mount the antenna.

Post if you got questions on this. Was doing more of a comparison review vs installation feedback.
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Thanks for that Tims, now I feel better about my J&M CB-Intercom. A fraction of the cost and their antennas come already SWR'd. Then again, I don't have anything that I need for it to interconnect with, like you do.

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Thanks for that Tims, now I feel better about my J&M CB-Intercom. A fraction of the cost and their antennas come already SWR'd. Then again, I don't have anything that I need for it to interconnect with, like you do.
Yea Ricz, I think J&M is solid but for the bells VIC did well with it and you pay for it. With regards to the antenna I don't know what your range is but my JM brand antenna doesn't reach out and touch anyone. Line of sight I'm good 1/2 mile or so. The Goldwingers always out shoot me. Now that I know more about Firestick I'm gonna try one on my TC with the JM and see what happens. One of these days. Hehehe

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Tims...dunno what my max range is as I ride with a buddy who also has the J&M CB-Intercom and we are rarely more than a 1/4 mile apart. Maybe on our next ride we can do a range test and report back.

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Tims...dunno what my max range is as I ride with a buddy who also has the J&M CB-Intercom and we are rarely more than a 1/4 mile apart. Maybe on our next ride we can do a range test and report back.
Yea, if you get some metrics on it I think it would be good to know and post here so that if you do use the J&M you know about where you are. I like the J&M unit and if the firestick kicks it out there signal wise it would be great to know! You got pros/cons with both and the price differnce is a new exhaust! hehehe
I like my CB, no doubt but its always good to know options...

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Tims, a little history here...
Riding buddy John and I got our J&M CBs at the same time and went with the 3' antennas. At that time, J&M wasn't doing the SWR at the factory, so we had to. In spite of getting real good numbers, our range was very short and we could only use channel 1 as that had the best short range. When John keyed to transmit, sometimes his ignition would cut out and come back on when he released the key.

John at J&M was very helpful and had us trying a variety of things that didn't improve the situation. Then he recommended a 4' antenna, mentioning that about 3 months ago, they started doing the SWR at the factory. We both installed 4 footers and WOW, you should hear us now. What an improvement. Maybe our SWR meter is off and produced false readings. Dunno.

John's ignition still cuts out when he has the output power on HI, but not when he selects LOW, where he keeps it and we do just fine. Our guess is the unit draws a lot of power on HI and his Honda NT700V doesn't have a very powerful charging system.

To anyone reading this and thinking about installing a J&M CB, I recommend you go with their antenna.

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Thanks for that Tims, now I feel better about my J&M CB-Intercom. A fraction of the cost and their antennas come already SWR'd. Then again, I don't have anything that I need for it to interconnect with, like you do.
I just purchased the CB/Intercom system for my Vision and am thoroughly disgusted with the way Polaris handles their parts. I already have JM headsets from my previous bike. JM makes the 7pin lower cord to hook up to the Victory CB/Intercom. Victory tells you have to buy their headsets for the system to work and that is a lie!!! I bought everything I needed to install their CB/Intercom and I bought the two lower 7pin cords from JM for $29.00/ea. That sure beats the almost $400.00 for their driver and passenger headsets. I got all the holes drilled, everything mounted and hooked up and I checked to see if the system worked before I started putting everything back together. The system works as it should with the JM lower cords. But here is the kicker!! I started looking for the weather caps to cover up the jack cords on the bike and I couldn't find them. I looked through every package not once but twice. They weren't there! So I called my dealer and he called Victory. He called me back with some bad news. In order to get these two little weather caps YOU HAVE TO BUY THEIR HEADSETS!!!! That is where they get you!

So I emailed Polaris. Here is my email:

I am writing to say how thoroughly disgusted I am with your parts situation. I bought my Vision in October 2012 and love it. I just spent $900.00 for the CB/Intercom system only to find out after I get it that I have to buy your $400.00 headsets to get 2 small dust covers for the jack cords! I already have headsets from my previous bike. Why not sell the caps as separate accessories? That is absolutely ridiculous and entrapment!!!

Here is their response:

"Thank you for contacting Polaris Industries regarding the CB/Intercom System.

We understand your frustrations with having to buy an entire assembly rather that the separate parts, however we would like to explain the reasoning behind that decision.

Polaris Industries works very hard to manufacture quality products at the best price for our consumers. Proper function and safety are an important part of Polaris. If the serviceability of an assembly is determined to be too complex or requires manufacturing controls to ensure proper function, then that is sold as and assembly. We also have situations where the vendor that manufactures the part for us does not offer the part as a service parts.

We hope this explanation has helped you.

Again, thank you for contacting Polaris Industries.

Consumer Services
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My response to that is BS!!!! First off Polaris doesn't make their CB and secondly what does a $3.00 weather cap have to do with the proper function of the CB? Thirdly they should make the manufacture offer that small item as an accessory! It is a weather cap, for crying out loud!!! If I was trying to get some $400.00 or $500.00 part I could see their reasoning but a $3.00 weather cap, come on!!!! I sent them two more emails. In one of those emails I made this statement, "If I buy your headsets and then one of those straps breaks that holds the weather cap and I lose the weather cap, then you are telling me that I have to buy another headset just to get that weather cap because you don't sell them as an accessory part! That is bad business and not real smart as far as I am concerned! Had I known this my Vision would still be sitting on the show room floor. Are you sure you want to lose the sale of a $20,000.00 bike and a$1000.00 CB/Intercom over a $3.00 weather cap?" I haven't heard from the other 2 emails as of yet. I have never, ever been told that I would have to buy another bike manufacturers headset when I have traded bikes in the past. All I ever had to do was buy a new lower cord! I think Polaris/Victory or whoever needs to seriously look at this situation!!!!

Let me say this though. I love my Vision!!! It is the best riding and most comfortable bike I have ever ridden or owned. But that doesn't keep me from being thoroughly ticked off over this situation. It might even keep me from buying another one of their bikes if somethings isn't done about this! And I would hate to have to ride another kind of bike after owning a Vision!!

By the way I live close to a JM dealer and I contacted them about getting their system for my Vision. They told me they didn't even make one for the Vision. JM corporation told me the same thing. That is the reason I went with the OEM for my Vision. I had thought about going blue tooth just for the intercom but I know I would regret not having the CB when we ride as a group or when we go on some Patriot Guard Missions. I haven't used the system yet other than to check and see if all the radio controls works as they should and they do. My only complaint is the $3.00 weather caps, in case you haven't noticed. To me that is a deal breaker. If I hadn't had drilled the holes first it would have been taken back. Lesson learned. Check everything and I mean everything before installation.

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IMHO I would say yes if your 2 up, no if your primarily solo.
- Intergrated with sound system software. Having the VIC CB installed now for a couple months I REALLY like it's intergration with the onboard software for 2up and I think it REALLY puts you in control.
- CB is strong, have actually gotten about 1.5 miles WITHOUT line of sight, SQ open to hear the other rider but we were communicating fairly well up to almost 2.5 miles. He's on a Wing with stock CB and antenna. Within a mile SOLID, clear comm's.
- Controls stock on top but you can switch the audio and CB while you got it apart to put your PTT on the bottom for ergonomics. I left it on top and it is a little weird reaching up for the PTT there but I adjust my music more than PTT so glad its where its at.
- Head set connectors. THEY SUCK! EXTREMELY disappointed at the CHEAP MFGR of the connectors. I have pushed my headset plug through the console twice now.. Using some adhesive on the back side to provide some addtional support. Water caps are flimsy and threads are the cuplrit. ALSO, you MUST buy the riders HEADSET to aquire the connectors for front and rear head set cables. THAT in itself really P*&#$$ED me off since I already have J&M headsets in my helmets. To spend additonal money on a headset to get a connector is TOTAL BS!
- CB Mounting. Unit is mounted in trunk throat cavity so if you loose the trunk you loose your CB! LAME piss poor design. I know there are a couple folks I have read that are working on mods for the saddlebag and such but havent heard anything as of late.
- Antenna. I went with Firestick II with the stock mount for 52.99 and free shipping BUT their kit DID NOT come with the antenna spring so I got free shipping and lost out on the spring. So with that said pay attention when clicking on the links from http://www.firestik.com/CatalogFrame.htm Knowing know what I do now, I think I would have went with the FireFly but at the time wanted the white antenna to match the bike and just couldnt find it in stock with the mount and the spring. The included mount only requires minor molding modificaiton to fit the contour. Bottom line, search the web. The FSII is one thick antenna but wow, does it perform! WIll be replacing my TC's antenna now as well. Keep in mind the NGP firesticks require that you DO NOT cut their cable.. You can also buy a splitter that can feed your stereo. Havent got it but will be sooner than later. I will try to do a followup on this once I replace my stock antenna on my J&M thats on my TC for a comparison.
Headsets - I love my J&M and they have the conversion cables so if you do have intergrated helmets, no fear.

In the end, I think J&M can compete with the VIC CB which is the same one used in CanAm Spyders for about 500 less when said and done. I don't like being forced into another headset when what I have, has the available 7 pin connector cables for the CB unit (about 20 bucks I think) and works fine.

Required parts for the CB are:
CB Kit (if you call it that) 2877189 649.99
CB Harness 2878064 99.99
Driver Wired Headset 2877190 219.99
Audio Wiring Harness* 2876143 69.99
** Purcheased through KATE at Honda East. Great price and service, was a little back order but I think that is the unit itself as my buddies CanAm was backordered too and its the same head unit.

Installation is not that bad, trunk is the worst but this is an easy Saturday project. Dremmel is a MUST along with extra zip ties and a buddy when handling the trunk. Im have a PDF of 08 instructions to give you an idea at least, shoot me a PM and will email to you, may toss up some lessons learned when I get a chance... If you went with the J&M your still pulling the trunk off and breaking it down to mount the antenna.

Post if you got questions on this. Was doing more of a comparison review vs installation feedback.
I didn't find the trunk to be that bad, but that is just me. In order to install the antenna you have to take the trunk skin off. I did that while leaving the trunk in place and with the skin off you have full accessibility to mounting the CB unit.
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My wife and I finally got to take the Vision out after I installed the CB/Intercom. I have been waiting for a couple of weeks for a good day to ride and that came last Friday. I have only had one other bike that had the CB/Intercom and that was the Yamaha Venture. Compared to the Vision, well there is no comparison. The Vision's sound quality through my JM headsets, which by the way are the same ones I had with the Venture, is top notch. My wife just raved about how well she could hear the music and not just the music but the words to the song. It took a little while to get used to the music fading out when we spoke but after getting used to it we really liked it to. It made it much easier to hear the other person.

So other than my big gripe about not being able to get the weather caps unless you buy their headsets, I have no complaints with the CB/Intercom. It performed really well. I am very pleased with it.
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I do not have a Victory CB on my Vision right now but I did install one on my XCT just a few weeks before my Vacation trip to the dragon tail were I crashed and the XCT was totaled. I liked the Victory CB but did not like there headset and would not buy another. It is a cheap piece of junk that falls apart and drops the signal to mic and ear buds. The thing ships together and is always coming lose and or falling apart. I would do as you did and use the J&M with the 7 pin adapter cord. I'm not a real fan of J&M headsets but they are better than the Victory one's. I'm sure you can find a rubber cup at a hardware store that would slip on the end of the plug to seal it.
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