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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 04-13-2013, 10:40 AM Thread Starter
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Default Ness and Bushtec are one!

I'm pretty sure I wrote/commented on hitches and such elsewhere but I've just about finished getting her all ready for family travels.

I'm a firm follower and believer of Bushtec stuff. I had one of their early trailers back in the 90's that was a two tone silver painted to match my '82 Wing. I will say this...they got it right from the beginning. Very little has changed over the years as I compare the new (2012) trailer I have now with the 1st one back then.

This trailer was painted to match my '03 VTX 1800C. It seems Honda used the same orange for my wife's '12 Shadow too. It is quite the site seeing our matching two bikes, matching trailer, and personal garb going down the road as a family.

With getting my Ness, I was hoping the orange would be a good match. Not really but it's still orange. Not sure yet what I'll do but the options are:

1) I could do nothing. Leave everything alone.
2) sell the X and trailer (as a package?) then get a Bushtec Entourage trailer. Matches the lines of the Vision very well and I can get it painted to match the Ness, flames and all.
3) get the current trailer painted to match the Ness.

I can't decide much at this point but plan to ride for at least the start of the summer as is now.

The X and Bushtec
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The Ness and Bushtec
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And an Entourage and Vision (from the Bushtec site). Imagine the tear drop wheel wells in the same flame graphics as the Ness. Gotto be GEORGOUS!
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Now, a note. Nobody makes a hitch for the NESS Vision. I spoke at great length to Bushtec and now know why. The Ness is built and designed about 2" lower than other Visions. Because of this, if a rider follows the Vic Settings on the rear suspension, the hitch contacts the swing arm on the left side on compression.

If I keep the suspension maxed out It doesn't make contact. I haven't loaded the trailer with 2 up yet to check those conditions. Not to mention putting the trunk back on.

I can see where it contacts. I can also think of a way to design a bracket to keep this from happening, or modify the current one. I've sent photos and such to Bushtec to see if my thoughts are possible but nothing in return. Since they've designed this hitch it's entirely possible they've been through what I'm coming up with. Who knows.

I can fabricate. Plasma cutter and welder in hand. I just don't want to waste effort and money for nothing.

For all I know, keeping the rear maxed at 72 psi could be all I need. I just loose the ability of a level unloaded ride and the soft ride that can come with it.

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2013 Bushtec Entourage in matching Ness color and graphics - See the PAINTED TO MATCH process
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Nice set-up!
I think if your able I would fabricate and not have a worry about the swing-arm rubbing the hitch.
We 2up with a hitch-doc and fully loaded is a lot of weight on the air shock.
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I would keep the trailer you have now cause you know what it is and how to load it.
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I don't know if this will be clear but here's the contact point (same place, different angles)

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You can see where it's hitting the "z" bracket. That bracket doesn't hug the plastic liner of the saddle bag (which is above the horizontal part of the bracket).

They aren't 90 degree bends which I can only assume is for strength. If I could modify this so the horizontal part is parallel to the bag bottom, it would give me another 1.5" or so I think before the swing arm hits.

Still thinking this through.

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2013 Bushtec Entourage in matching Ness color and graphics - See the PAINTED TO MATCH process
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"They aren't 90 degree bends which I can only assume us for strength. If I could modify this so the horizontal part is parallel to the bag bottom, it would give me another 1.5" or so I think before the swing arm hits."



Good pics!
I'm thinking your right about modifying the bracket to give you the extra 1.5".
Then weld in a small triangle piece of metal (gusset) in the 90* angle.
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I think the gusset would get in the way.

That Z bar isn't straight bent either. Kinda twisted too. What I'm thinking to keep the existing lines is to weld the additional metal onto what's there. Then cut off the old.

An alternate to the gusset would be some small gauged steel tube in the corners. OR thick welds.

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2013 Bushtec Entourage in matching Ness color and graphics - See the PAINTED TO MATCH process
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Wow, that is a lot of work, You are going to have to remove the hitch to do the work. And while it is out look at the clearence with low or no air in the shock with a loaded bike. That will tell you how it will have to be modified. Look at how close it comes to the underside of the bag. What you have in mind may work, but you need to find out just how far the swing arm moves and how close it comes to the bottom of the trunk. I would hate to go to all that work and find out it still hits.

An idea is to go forward, drop down and come back. This may be more work and still not work. What ever you do I would remove the hitch and make a jig to mount the hitch to and make the changes. No way would I cut and weld with the hitch on the bike.

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I won't have to remove the hitch. Just the bracket in question. I might just remove the tire but don't think I'll have to. The top of it is held on by one bolt and the lower attached to the rest of the hitch.

I may get into this in a week or two. Big trip planned in June to the Grand Tetons and Yellowstone.

Did a test run yesterday as is. Took bike, trailer and 2-up (my 8 year old) on a Sam's Club run. With 72 psi in the rear, it was good. No contact.

2012 #20 NESS Vision DARKSIDE BABY!
Stage 1 w/D&D pipes + lots of Victory add ons. PC-V w/AT, Lloyd's intake, filter, ATS, & Variable Clutch.
2013 Bushtec Entourage in matching Ness color and graphics - See the PAINTED TO MATCH process
Wife rides a 2016 Gunner

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I normaly run my air pressure at 50#, to lazy to keep changing from solo 15#, to 2 up or 2 up and trailer with 50#. The ride is not bad at that pressure, but at 72#, must be rather stiff riding solo?

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No, it's not. Stiffer but not stiff enough to want to air it down. I could experiment and let some out in stages until I know it's too low but nah! It good. If I "fix" the bracket I'd never have to worry but right now it ok knowing the limitation.

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Stage 1 w/D&D pipes + lots of Victory add ons. PC-V w/AT, Lloyd's intake, filter, ATS, & Variable Clutch.
2013 Bushtec Entourage in matching Ness color and graphics - See the PAINTED TO MATCH process
Wife rides a 2016 Gunner

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