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on 2008 visions " if bike stored go out and pump break several time a month,then in spring get your brakes bled, its considered part of regular maintenance" give me a f*&^%$# break? y in hell would u need to bleed your brake ever year?? its a closed system! good god i've owned about 7 different bikes in my life any the only time u bled the breaks was when its called for in maintance book usely ever two years or u change pads.this is total bull s$%#. what about the guys that had this same problem and never let their bikes sit ?? PS anyone have the web address for fileing a complaint to the safty board for motorcycles
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Hopefully you change your brake fluid every two years at a MINIMUM. Some change it at the beginning of riding season every year. They consider it very cheap insurance.

To me it is extremely sound advice to verify that your brakes don't have air in the system after a long period of storage. Personally I think it would be UN-safe to rely on the system integrity being a closed system after an extended period where it wasn't used. If you don't exercise a system, especially a hydraulic system (presumably stored in cold weather), the seals can leak and induce air in the system. I would rather find that when I am checking things over before I get on the road than in an emergency braking situation 10 minutes into the ride

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Sonic, the temptation to flame you for that post is too great, but I will be a gentleman about this, as are the other members of this forum.
Let me tell you a couple tales about what happened to me. But first, I will inform you as to why brake, clutch and fork fluids should be changed every two years or more often. If the rear shock can be bled, then do that too. Not many know that one.
Brake fluid is hydrogenous, that is, it absorbs moisture--even the moisture in the air. That reduces the fluid's boiling point - you don't want that to happen when needing to make a quick stop - and corrodes parts in the entire system, especially the calipers.
Story One: I recently had a bike that had a hydraulic clutch and had not bled it out prior to a cross continent trip. After all, the fluid was JUST 2 years old and I'll change it when I return home. I was westbound in Kansas on I-70, bucking a stiff headwind which was making the clutch work hard. I was exiting the freeway on a downhill ramp with a stop at the bottom. The clutch lever went to the grip with no resistance whatsoever. The moisture in the fluid caused it to boil and not work the clutch. Bled it out the next morning and all went well from then.
Story Two: I just bled my XR's brakes after 3 years. The fluid in the front reservoir was just light tan. I learned later that can be almost 50% water. When I went to do the rear brakes, the first squirts were MILKY, meaning there was a pot full of water in that fluid. Only 3 years and the bike is garaged in a tight, attached garage.
So, Sonic, how long do you want to keep your fluid and how long do you expect to live? Imitating what the uninformed are doing will shorten your life, which I assume is worth much more that a bottle of brake fluid. No go and sin no more.

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To me it is extremely sound advice to verify that your brakes don't have air in the system after a long period of storage. Personally I think it would be UN-safe to rely on the system integrity being a closed system after an extended period where it wasn't used.
People overlook a lot of maintenance items and it usually doesn't cause problems.

My buddy and I were just talking about an old Tennessee boy we used to ride with in a ST club. He liked SV650s. He told my buddy he'd buy one and do absolutely nothing to it besides change the oil and ride it for 100k miles before he traded it in.

He didn't dawdle either...




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People overlook a lot of maintenance items and it usually doesn't cause problems.

My buddy and I were just talking about an old Tennessee boy we used to ride with in a ST club. He liked SV650s. He told my buddy he'd buy one and do absolutely nothing to it besides change the oil and ride it for 100k miles before he traded it in.

He didn't dawdle either...
He probably came out ahead in casinos too, with that kind of luck going for him. I'm not that lucky and want to preserve what few years I have left.

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He probably came out ahead in casinos too, with that kind of luck going for him. I'm not that lucky and want to preserve what few years I have left.
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People overlook a lot of maintenance items and it usually doesn't cause problems.

My buddy and I were just talking about an old Tennessee boy we used to ride with in a ST club. He liked SV650s. He told my buddy he'd buy one and do absolutely nothing to it besides change the oil and ride it for 100k miles before he traded it in.

He didn't dawdle either...
I'm with RICZ on this one. Yes there are people who do the absolute minimum or less and nothing happens. There are also people that do more than required and have all sorts of problems. With my luck I'll error on the side of caution

Almost forgot. I might be pessimistic because of my aviation maintenance background. We preach preventative maintenance as required not optional since things failing at 30,000 ft tend not to end well. I've seen a lot of hydraulic systems leak until the seals warm up. Those systems also have self bleeding reservoirs.

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fluids replaced ever two years. also when new breaks put on had them replace fluid. "if bike sits a long time need to pump break lever! what about the guys down south that ride their bike year around and this same problem happens to them. sorry but it is a flaw in the 2008 vision system and needs to b address
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Sonic, the flaw in your conception of a brake (not break) system is that it is NOT really a closed environment. It is not hermetically sealed, therefore there are areas that are vulnerable to atmospheric exposure. In other words, the sucker leaks air. If brakes need to be pumped to firm up, there is air in the system and they need to be bled.

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Dealer had bike 3 days bleed system. Said unusual amount of air in system. No fluid leaks . They contacted victory and got the reply I posted. Total BS
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