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I have been on this forum for a while and have seen lots of things but now that I actually have a Vision I have some questions.

The first is gear selection for a sharp right hand turn without stopping first. If I just shift down to second, the engine is lugging but if I shift down to first it feels like the engine is too tightly coupled to the wheels which gives me jerky handling. Do I need to slip the clutch through an entire right turn?

Next question is about wet roads riding. I was riding a very familiar road today after a rain and noticed the front not wanting to track straight. As I reviewed the circumsrtances I think that tire was slipping around on tar snakes. Is this characteristic of the E3 tires on wet roads? If it is I can ride to intentionally avoid tar snakes on wet roads but the roads around here have lots of them due to deferred maintenance.

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Being a new bike and you being new to it yes you have to keep your rpms up. Short shifting is easier on a motor then stretching out the rpms. Give your self time to get used to the bike. If you get down to slow in a corner you maybe need to be in first. Its hard to say with out being there riding with you.

First check tires to see if there up to spec. Most here are running 40psi to get long life out of them. Don't trust the air gauge that comes with the bike go buy a gauge one most pencil ones are junk. Check the first of every month and when it gets to be over 95 dregs check every two weeks if you want to get 15 thousand miles out of your tires.

Tar snakes and E3's "don't mix". E3's are a good tire but when they wear out go to a Metzler ME880 there is more groves to them and the tar snakes are all most a thing of the pass

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The first is gear selection for a sharp right hand turn without stopping first. If I just shift down to second, the engine is lugging but if I shift down to first it feels like the engine is too tightly coupled to the wheels which gives me jerky handling. Do I need to slip the clutch through an entire right turn?
That or just roll on the throttle and pick up the pace thru the turn.

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As I reviewed the circumsrtances I think that tire was slipping around on tar snakes. Is this characteristic of the E3 tires on wet roads?
It's the characteristic of all tires over wet/hit tar snakes. Wet ones have a very low coefficient of friction and hot ones are gooey and move around. Wet paint ain't such a good traction surface either.

I have a mess of new tar snakes they put down in a couple of sharp turns in my neighborhood. On either bike, I barely notice them in mild temps, but let it get hot or wet and the fun begins.




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post #4 of 9 (permalink) Old 05-27-2013, 01:59 PM
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I have noticed a little wiggle on the highway. Snakes and no snakes. I have put it down to lane wear. Bike tracks back and forth in the groove. Not a problem once you recognize it. Did have to put a little more air in the shock to cure some rubbing in the corners - and, 40#'s front and rear. Good mileage and traction wet or dry. I'm only 70 yr young so don't know nuttin' bout nuttin'

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I am OK shifting a bit early. I am not OK shifting to avoid having any power when I encounter tar snakes. They are not a reasonable departure from routine riding. We all see them in day to day riding.

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I am OK shifting a bit early. I am not OK shifting to avoid having any power when I encounter tar snakes. They are not a reasonable departure from routine riding. We all see them in day to day riding.
Oldman, keep the rpms above 2K and you will never have a power problem. This engine will pull stumps out.

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It definitely has a different power band than my Jackpot. I have been using 2nd pretty much for all turns. It doesn't really lug and it seems like it has pretty quick response when I need to get on it. Handles like a dream compared to some of the bikes I have owned. Can't compare to JP since the JP had a 250 real tire. Just a different approach to turns and handling between these 2 bikes.

Keep riding and it starts to feel more and more natural. Have fun.

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gear selection for a sharp right hand turn without stopping first. If I just shift down to second, the engine is lugging but if I shift down to first it feels like the engine is too tightly coupled to the wheels which gives me jerky handling. Do I need to slip the clutch through an entire right turn?
Toss out some RPMs, speedsand if you have installed either the performance front filter or the LLoydz upper just to make sure were all on the same sheet of music. It makes a difference. Before I added the upper air filter I felt something similar to what you describe. Recently I did install a VFCIII and to me it seemed to smooth out across the board but I think the IAV is the answer to the problem of it feeling twitchy. Heres the link to it:
http://www.lloydz.com/store/item_vie...itemid=1000078

I purposely do tight right/left out in our court (1st gear) just to stay on top of balancing the bike in a emergency situtuation in a parking lot and don't have that coupled feel anymore. I would have to say combo of the VFCIII and the upper filter as well as taking some of the slop out of the throttle at the grip via the adjustments.

Tar snakes. Just a thought/question. Did you have any crosswind? Could have been a light force on the fairing pushing you around if so. I run E3's, have experienced the SaddleBag tar snake description and chock it up to wet/hot.

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I forgot that the difference may also be I added the PCV, Ness air filter and Ness Big Honkers which does give me more get up and go. Sorry not sure if yours is stock so my advice may not be worth anything due to difference in bikes.

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