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Well, here is a lesson learned for me. Quick background is my other bike is an 04 TC with the V92 Stage 1 flash, level 1 exhaust, Ness big sucker and thats it. SomeGun runs like a screamin banshee on the war path (I never heard nor seen one but guessing it is fast)... So, picked up a steal of a buy last fall my 11 Vision, close out new off the floor. Was not happy with the the response in comparison to my V92. So my mods started:
Lloydz 2nd filter
Cheap mods on Exhaust (the 6 hole one)

Much better, compared to stock side by side seen imediate results and loved the new rumble, response of the throttle. I was happy.. (for now).... Knowing CAMS are the answer to my lack of response I was expecting from the 106 I said to myself I would upgrade CAMS, Fuel Controller, and ATS +4 next year when I saved the money up. I was already doing mods to lighting and of course the shield.

4 weeks ago a buddy on the forums here was upgrading his FC and sold me his VFCIII so of course I ordered Lloydz ATS and said this will hold me over till next year. So the VFC cam in first (thanks Mike) and I decided to try it using Mikes settings BEFORE installing the ATS just to see what happens... Keep in mind the VFCIII itself is 265.00. Installation was easier than I thought using notes already on the forum. My only deviation was using a 10" flat tip screwdriver to raise the red tabs unlocking the injector connector and a 2nd 10" on the back of it to keep it from moving. Worked very well, no pliers needed and my sausge fingers could do the rest.
All I can say at this point is I took it out, warmed up, and turned on to a straight away on the back roads. 1-4 gears came and went like I never imagined!!!!! The motor had a differnt sound all together I thought and my gosh did it sound healthy!!!!! So, 2 days riding like that, hammering the throttle and she took every thing I threw... I figured I would have a ticket by weeks end, THEN the ATS gear came in.

Rolled up in the garage after work and 90 minutes later out for the next test ride... The ATS absolutely does what it claims and lower end was there but my thoughts are this. When I wanted power before it was a slower roll on into the powerband and she did her thing. With the VFC alone, coupled with the 2nd filter and exhaust mod, you CANT stop smiling at 2800 to the higher RPMS... That engine just lets it rip!!!! Im extatic with the ATS/VFCIII combo but for those on a budget and wanting some more umph out of your motor, I honestly think you can get you a VFCIII and be pretty happy with it if you don't want to spring for the ATS at the same time. (package deal with the gasket is around 450 with shipping).

So now, Im posting this as my lesson learned, I would have been VERY happy the past 9K had I put that VFCIII on then vs waiting till now. Yes, I know when CAMS come, the PCV is going on and I will pass the VFC onto another rider. For now, I have to brush my teeth more often cause I can't stop grinning on the VV every day... If your curious about MPG, about the norm 42ish give or take based on my behaving myself. first two weeks was like 32mpg but it was 32mpg of a lot of fun!!!!

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You guys gota stop talking up all your performance mods... you're makin' me itch.


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Could you tell us about installing the ATS? How much dizassembly was required? Did you have to use a wheel? 90 minutes sounds like it was pretty easy.

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No longer classifying VFCIII as performance Mod, more like putting the horse on the track. Alone it may not be the fastest on the track, but it is a contender and in the race!!! <-This is me!!!!

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Could you tell us about installing the ATS? How much dizassembly was required? Did you have to use a wheel? 90 minutes sounds like it was pretty easy.

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ATS is was intimindating to me because I associated it with Timing which it really is doing nothing to the timing gear. It is allowing the change to the timing mark for firing is all. Improvement was very noticiable on the low end just like theory giving a VERY good roll up when your say 2100 coming off throttle and want to accellerate without downshift. Couple with the VFCIII covering 3K+ you can see that across the board you have improvement and after moving back up to 91octane, no ping or only a occasional single ping and that was when I lugged it below 2K and went full throttle back out.

Installation is maybe a 2-3 on a scale of 1-5.
Tools needed are hex sockets for RT Floorboard mount, hex on cam cover, gasket scraper, 3/8" impact if possible, Wire brush to clean bolt, along with Red LocTite and Blue LocTite.

On the Vision, dropped the rear bolt of of the floorboard and loosend at first. It works but I found it easier cleaning the gasket by removing the front bolt of the floor board mount also. Cover that part of the fairing with a cloth to prevent scratches. (yes I have a mark)
-6 Hex bolts on cam wheel cover, ensure you got a socket adapter for your torque wrent for installation. Cam cover came off no problem, gasket was a little stuck. Careful cleaning and your done with that mess. Give cam cover some support while its off, no need to disconnect the pickup lines. Rubber gromment on back at the 9oclock position will come out. Ensure it is seated FIRMLY back in place when installing.
-Remove old gear using 3/8" impact for best results so no need to hold wheel while backing center bolt out. Gear will need to be encouraged off. Clean up center bolt threads with brush.
-ATS wheel. Two bolts hold wheel in place. I set at +4 degree, snugged down 1 bolt, removed other applying blue loctite and reinstalling. Same on other bolt then tighted. Install back on shaft, red loctite on bolt and torque. I used a plastic slip stick to apply counter tension to gear while torque it.
-Reinstall cam cover using Lloydz reusable cover gasket. Pay close attantion to the rubber grommet on the left side that it seats properly when snugging cover down. Torque as requried.

Start up, enjoy! These notes are my lessons learned and a few other riders I used to do mine. It really is not as bad as it looks and the only thing I had a prob with was the blasted grommet twisted so pulled the cover and reset it. Fine after that, no leaks. Lloydz gasket is thicker and like it says, reusable. The impact wrench made a breeze. Took 90 minutes from start because I rode it home and started in on it and she was still a bit warm. Took my time but easy project. Well worth the money spent!

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Thanks for the quick notes on that. I was thinking it was an actually chain sprocket. If I understand correctly, all it is is an adjustable firing sensor that bolts on? Is there a key way in there?

I just did a vcf 3 (that front injector is fun) and now i think i will do the ATS thanks to your recommendation.

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Yes to both. Single bolt onto a keyay shaft that the timing gear is behind. After that two bolts allow the adjustment. I was more nervous I stalling the vfc. But as I was intending to point out I the thread, the vfc is a great add on even without the ATS wheel. Pm me if you got any questions before you do it. Compliments the vfc very well!!

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I went the other way around and installed the Lloydz adjustable timing gear, but no controller. First, my previous mods: drilled out the muffler baffles, removed the O2s, Vic high flow air filter, and the Lloydz Idle Air Valve. Another forum member with the same mods and I have been emailing and he installed the timing gear and reported great results. So I did that too and WOW, who let the horses out!?! A lot more torque from idle up to 2500rpm + and she gets those revs up faster too. Considering that I'm running mostly from 2200 to 2500, I'm very happy with what that gear has done for my engine. There's plenty of oomph for forays into much higher revs for hills and twisties, so I'm having my doubts that I want to spend for the VFCIII, the controller I was originally planning to install, until that gear came along. Its going to take a lot more convincing to get me to buy and install one.

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