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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 02-20-2014, 08:58 PM Thread Starter
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Default Ness, Trailer, AND DARKSIDE!!

I AM NOT POSTING THIS TO GET INTO A DARKSIDE DEBATE. I'M POSTING FOR KNOWLEDGE ONLY BY PROVING THAT THIS WORKS!

Yeah baby!!!! It works and it works very well.

Having researched for hours, days and months, what I found is that the 195/55r16 is a perfect CT for the stock Vision. Lots are running that with trouble free positive results.

If you run with a trailer hitch, what I read was that a 185/55r16 is what's needed. What I couldn't find out though was what rubs or is the issue with running the 195 and the trailer.

I could find absolutely no one out there that has a Darkside NESS Vision. Only a few Ness's even ran a trailer.

Since I worked with Bushtec to get the hitch to work properly for the Ness, I thought I could go ahead and try the CT on my Ness. With the lower suspension of the Ness I wasn't willing to try the 195 (stock Vision size) but rather decided on the 185.

I am not new to running a car tire on the rear of a bike. I ran my VTX for thousands of miles pulling it's own Bushtec trailer. I absolutely loved it and vowed when the time came I would attempt it on my Ness.

I am so glad I did. The tire is a Hankock Ventus V2 Concept tire. I got it through Amazon. $85 delivered.

I knew that the car tires should have 3oz of Dynabeads so I ordered them through Ebay. $15.50 delivered.

I removed my tire and rim, removed the sprocket, then took the setup and new tire to our local custom bike shop, Full Throttle Customs. Since they deal with those fat ass chopper tires I thought it would be a safe bet they'd instal my tire.

$35 and it was done. Funny when I picked it up. He said one word. "WHY?". I spent a few moments explaining. He seems genuinely interested. I told him if it did't work I'd see him soon to swap them back. If it did work, I'd see soon to show him the setup.

Anywho, got it home. I polished up the rim while it was off the bike, then went into getting her on.

Installed like it was the stock setup. You can see that the tires are very similar to each other (size wise). I noticed when I compared the uninstalled car tire next to the OEM tire/E3, the E3 was noticeably taller. After I had the car tire installed, it was taller than the uninstalled E3. For anyone doing a CT install, tires are different sizes when installed and filled with air.




After all installed and buttoned down, I removed all the air from the suspension. I wanted it on it's stops (or whatever they are on this beast) like the shock failed on a trip. Down my driveway I went and over my "curb". While obviously stiff it felt great. Down the street and around the block I went. It felt less like it was on a car tire than my VTX did. IT felt WONDERFUL!!

Very little additional push required for a turn. It almost felt like it wasn't even there. Back up the driveway I went and onto the bike jack.

Nothing rubbed. NOTHING!! Aired back up the shock and set it on the ground.





I can't wait to get her on the road. There may be a few weather delay days but soon enough I will.

Just a cost comparison

Tire $85 delivered.
Balancing beads $15
Mounting $35
Total: $135 installed.
1 hour of my time

New OEM tire: $235
Install OEM: $35
OEM replacement: $280 installed.

$135 versus $280 initial replacement

Bike tire 10k miles - Remember, I tow
Car Tire 40k
4 bike tires for 1 car tire
$1000 (conservatively) versus $135 over 4-5 years.

The look of those behind me on the twisties....PRICELESS

I ran the initial test ride at 35lbs. I know how to get the feel of the right so I will adjust and play to find my sweet spot. I expect I will be up there near 40 like I did on the VTX. Will see.

So, a NESS Vision with a trailer hitch CAN GO DARKSIDE!!

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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old 02-20-2014, 09:23 PM
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So...I've lowered my Vision (standard, not a ness) 1" using the Witchdoctor kit.

Do you think I need a 185 or the 195 be okay? Any opinions?

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I honestly don't know but if you aren't running a hitch, with what I saw on mine, I'd say you'd be ok with the 195. 1" isn't that much.

Go for it!!

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Default Vision with a car tire

Thanks, as you have answered a big question I wondered about for my Vision. Seems the only people who try a CT on a bike are Honda VTX guys. Buddy of mine did it on his VTX and said (like you indicated) it works like a charm and he didn't use a trailer. I have a stock Vision with only 1k on it for now but have wondered about the whole CT thing. Now I get the feeling its the way to go given price and that excellent tread design. Thanks again!

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I'm going to get out and ride a bit today. I'll post up my findings later.

VTX's were a great platform for the CT. Big rim, high torque, and relatively heavy. When I went to the Vision, I had 12k on the VTX car tire and it still looked new. I rode it hard no matter and the tire performed flawlessly. Goldwings are probably the biggest CT users. High mileage and heavy bikes make for great darkside converts.

I hope I'll get the same enjoyment in the Vision (ref the CT). I know I'll feel better with lots of annual miles knowing my tire won't be a concern.

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start out with 38psi the the pressure will go up about 3 pounds in tire and go real slow in clover leafs and sharp curves. It tuck me a good hundred miles to get my CT broke in. To get the stiffness out of the rubber and to get the sugar coating off. Road ruts will bug you at first but just relax and you'll do fine.

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I'm not new to the Darkside but thanks VJ. It's actually better to go up or down 1 lb at a time as 1 lb can really make a difference. I went right to 40 (that's about what I ran before) and I like it there for now.

I just took a 4:30 minute video of the tire on the road. I'll post up a new thread for that (and will link to it here). Many folks may find it interesting or at the very least neat to see it in action on a Victory Vision.

Edit: The Thread is HERE

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Stage 1 w/D&D pipes + lots of Victory add ons. PC-V w/AT, Lloyd's intake, filter, ATS, & Variable Clutch.
2013 Bushtec Entourage in matching Ness color and graphics - See the PAINTED TO MATCH process
Wife rides a 2016 Gunner

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Nice write up Mike!

"When I ride, it's miles of Smiles" :)

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Thanks!! I just did a 250 mile ride today. Most of it in the mountains in the twisties. Got to say I'm happy. By the end of the day no mercy was getting shown because of the tire. I'm 100% comfortable with it back there and look very forward to loading her up while pulling my trailer then putting on the miles!!

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Stage 1 w/D&D pipes + lots of Victory add ons. PC-V w/AT, Lloyd's intake, filter, ATS, & Variable Clutch.
2013 Bushtec Entourage in matching Ness color and graphics - See the PAINTED TO MATCH process
Wife rides a 2016 Gunner

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Beautifull setup!

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