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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 02-28-2012, 05:39 PM Thread Starter
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I have had a few weeks since the test ride to sit and think.
I really had my heart set on a Vision, but on the test ride I noticed (to me) that the front suspension seemed rather stiff and bouncy. I can think of 2 reasons for this, and would like someone with the mechanical knowhow to suggest possable fixes.

1) Vision forks are not inverted like Xct
2) Thicker fork oil used to help with added weight of the bike.

Cant do anything about the standard fork installation, but does victory offer (like Harley) a few oil weights for front forks to customize the ride? Something to soften it up to try and match the "cadillac ride" of the XCT?

I guess I could learn to like the stock ride, plus I wouldnt want to soften it up only to find it bottoms out.

I was hoping to be one of the few (but growing) who likes the vision design and wanted to ride something OUTSIDE the box of "normal"

So......any Victory mechanics on the forum to offer me some guildance with this??

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Everything is a compromise....

I rode several BMWs with the telelever front end. The suspension was very compliant and plush... However road feel was non-existent and the front end was vague and felt detached. I'll take the feel over the plush ride.

Front end stiffness is more a function of the springs than the oil weight. Heavier or lighter oil will make the fork respond slower/quicker or rebound slower/quicker, but the spring is what it is. The oil doesn't make it softer or firmer, it just changes the dampening rate.

Keep in mind you were riding a brand new bike and over time the springs will soften up/sag some. And yes, of course you can change the oil to 10 wt.

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Let me try this explaination......

My 05 Road Glide front end was so soft it did bottom out at times.
Stock they came with a light weight oil.

Had the shop change to thier heaviest offering and road it a month, the ride with this oil in it was much like the Visions ride.

Switched the Road Glide to Harley medium weight fork oil and problem was solved and a very comfy ride as well as what your saying, (feeling the road).

Thats what Im wishing to occomplish if possible.

Mind you Im not familier with Victory fork oil weight from factory, nor what they offer as replacement weights, but hopefully Ive givin a better understanding of what I would like to be able to do.

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Everything is a compromise....

I rode several BMWs with the telelever front end. The suspension was very compliant and plush... However road feel was non-existent and the front end was vague and felt detached. I'll take the feel over the plush ride.
I've heard that complaint from many. Personally, I LOVE the lever suspension on the RTs. I don't generally ride hard enough that I have to brake into corners, partially because the suspension compressing usually throws off a nice smooth entry for me. On the Beemer, there was virtually no dive and huge ground clearance. Never have touched a peg on one even riding two up on endless switchbacks through the Alps.

If I didn't like the Vics as much as I did, an RT would have probably been my next bike. Of course, I would have needed to buy platform shoes to go with it as it is a tall booger.

I was talking with my riding buddy the other day about how much better the Vic is in cross winds. I've been in winds that felt like small hurricanes and the Vic is stable as can be. The wife and I were out in Cali on the PC highway near Big Sur on an RT and we got tossed around like ragdolls. My buddy rented a Harley and he and his wife barely noticed it. There is a lot to be said for a low COG.




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You could always get the front and/or rear suspension reworked by Traxxion Dynamics. They are very well known in the Goldwing and Harley world for their improvements as compared to the OEM suspension. Last year Max started working with Victorys and upset a few Vision owners by promising he could improve on the Vision suspension that owners swore couldn't be any better. Needless to say after convincing a Vision owner to let him do his magic that owner is extremely happy with the improvements.

Check out the website below and if you hae any questions give Max a call and see what he has to say.

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I have had a few weeks since the test ride to sit and think.
I really had my heart set on a Vision, but on the test ride I noticed (to me) that the front suspension seemed rather stiff and bouncy. I can think of 2 reasons for this, and would like someone with the mechanical knowhow to suggest possable fixes.

1) Vision forks are not inverted like Xct
2) Thicker fork oil used to help with added weight of the bike.

Cant do anything about the standard fork installation, but does victory offer (like Harley) a few oil weights for front forks to customize the ride? Something to soften it up to try and match the "cadillac ride" of the XCT?

I guess I could learn to like the stock ride, plus I wouldnt want to soften it up only to find it bottoms out.

I was hoping to be one of the few (but growing) who likes the vision design and wanted to ride something OUTSIDE the box of "normal"

So......any Victory mechanics on the forum to offer me some guildance with this??
Stock fork oil in all Victory's is 7.5. Victory doesn't sell different weights, but you can obviously buy a multitude of weights elsewhere. Keep in mind that different brands will rate their fork oils differently, so you may not get the same feel. I forget offhand what brand the Victory oil is, but a little research and that can be found out.

As for the stiff ride, I noticed that my 2011 Vision has a noticeably stiffer feel than my friend's 2009 Vision. I believe they changed the suspension for some reason, but I don't know why.

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I ran Amsoil synthetic oil in my Triumph. I believe they claimed it to be a 10w oil. The stuff worked good,but to me it was about as thick as water,very thin. I use to get the heavier of the two wts. of forkoil that they offered. So maybe that stuff might do the trick. I never had a problem with fork seals leaking and it road nice. I had also replaced the stock springs with progressive wound springs. I changed the oil as often as the manual said to do it also. The bike has over 73K on it now.
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You can use any brand fork oil that you want and you can mix weights to customize the viscosity... pick a brand that's readily available and start mixing until you have what you want.

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The Marzocchi forks used in most Victory's come from the factory with Golden Spectro 7.5wt. I had heard that Vic is now using two different fork brands in the Vision however, so that could explain the difference. Remember though, that the harsher ride is also a result of a different rear shock/spring assembly as well, as indicated by different part numbers between '11 and '09... My guess would be that changing the fork oil to a lighter weight and swapping out the rear shock for an older model would return the bike to the cushier ride that the earlier model years enjoyed.

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Lucky for us, we found the rear suspension to ride very similer to the XCT, it was just the front that I didnt like nearly as much as the XCT.
Thanks for all the responces, and I will begin doing some research into my options for fork oil.
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for renewing my options for the model choice.

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