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Hi Vic riders,

We have trouble finding Vic oil in Indonesia, so some people are using in there vic engines the following oil;

ADNOC 20W/50 as per attached picture

I am trying to convince them otherwise, but no luck yet.... My point of view:

I read all the oil treads and figured out the following 5 important points that HAS to be written on the oil can and on the picture no marking about any of the below points ;

1. It needs to state V-twin
2. It needs to state wet clutch
3. It needs to state JASO MA
4. It needs to state half synthetic
5. It needs to state 15W40

Please give me your input, and note we do not have Amsoil or Deeppurple and maybe even not have shell rotella T6

If there is NO more vic oil available would it be an option to run HD oil in a Victory ?? And what HD code I must look for??

I did find 1 oil that fits all the above criteria

FUCHS SILICONE COMP 4
SAE JASO MA2 API SG/SH/SJ
10W/30
10W/40
15W/50
20W/50
Synthetic four stroke engine oil various viscosities for engines with shared engine / gearbox and clutch lubrication

Hope you guys can help us victory riders at the other side of the world.

( i am sticking to Vic oil while it is still avaleble i still have 15 bottles stock in my house for now )

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All you need to know ;
Synthetic Blend 20w-40 Designed for WET CLUTCHES With a JASO-MA Rating......

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Yes that is what i thought ... But the oil above does not mention ANY of that information ...

And i have a hard time explaining that here ....

Any oil will do when 3 of the 5 points then it should be ok ... But the oil on the picture does not say any of the wetclutch , etc

And some of the vic riders are putting this in there engines because vic oil is difficult to get here ?

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As the saying goes; Any port in a storm, ;

The Harley oil is a little thick but where your at the temps don't drop low enough to worry about that..

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As inexpensive as Rotella is I would consider having it shipped to you. 15/40 semi is the blend they use I think. Otherwise the new Amsoil 20/40 is what I would consider having shipped. you could run that oil up to 7000 miles if you had to which is a consideration towards the cost of operation. I don't know shit from shiola about you oil there other than you need a JASO MA/MA2 oil and you will be fine. 5/40 10/40 or 20/50 for motorcycles or diesel is ok if that's all you have locally.

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Yes that is what i thought ... But the oil above does not mention ANY of that information ...

And i have a hard time explaining that here ....

Any oil will do when 3 of the 5 points then it should be ok ... But the oil on the picture does not say any of the wetclutch , etc

And some of the vic riders are putting this in there engines because vic oil is difficult to get here ?
You said its JASO MA...that's wet clutch compatability

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FUCHS SILICONE COMP 4
SAE JASO MA2 API SG/SH/SJ
10W/30
10W/40
15W/50
20W/50
Synthetic four stroke engine oil various viscosities for engines with shared engine / gearbox and clutch lubrication
Although it does not have the words "Wet Clutch", the above words mean the same.

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Ok i am learning a lot from your comments...

But the oil i disagree with is ADNOC 20W50 as per picture and there is NO mentioning of any JASO MA of any kind ??

Does that really means wet clutch ?? Learn something every day ....

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Ok i am learning a lot from your comments...

But the oil i disagree with is ADNOC 20W50 as per picture and there is NO mentioning of any JASO MA of any kind ??

Does that really means wet clutch ?? Learn something every day ....
Confusion here the FUCHS properties listed...the photo of the oil bottle....is that the same oil? the pic is the FUCHS (JASO MA)
or is the ADNOC something different

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Okay guys my bad

The questions is about the picture 20W50 . ADNOC
It does not state ANY property of JASO MA or V-twin or even not synthetic or not ??
That is the oil in question, there is nothing written on the oil bottle that i recognize that is good for our V-twin engines ....

And i am trying to explain to the salesman here that this adnoc oil is maybe very good for other engines but not for Victory because of the 5 points above NOT being mentioned on the oil can ?

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