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Default Catalytic converter (different kind of oil thread)

I know what to run in my 2004 Vegas and it never had a catalytic converter. I traded my 2009 Harley Ultra and it also didn't have a catalytic converter. My new 2015 Cross Country does have them and I'm not removing them and this is my first bike to have them.

Are there certain additives that should be avoided when you have a catalytic converter I think automotive oils changed because of it. I like Rotella and have had nothing but positive lab tests done and would like to stay with it if it's not harmful to the CC.

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Oddly Vin, the Victory oil isn't approved for use with catalytic converters and if I understand correctly an (any) oil that meets JASO-MA standards cannot meet the catalytic converter approvals because of the phosphorus levels are too high. The JASO-MA2 oils are approved for use with catalytic converters. That being said I just find it weird that Victory recommends JASO-MA that is contradictory for a stock bike with cats. If you were to get aftermarket pipes (not slip-ons) you would be removing the cats. The only issue that would cause is if your home state requires emission testing on motorcycles. Here in TX the inspection for MC's is just a braking and lights check.

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Oddly Vin, the Victory oil isn't approved for use with catalytic converters and if I understand correctly an (any) oil that meets JASO-MA standards cannot meet the catalytic converter approvals because of the phosphorus levels are too high. The JASO-MA2 oils are approved for use with catalytic converters. That being said I just find it weird that Victory recommends JASO-MA that is contradictory for a stock bike with cats. If you were to get aftermarket pipes (not slip-ons) you would be removing the cats. The only issue that would cause is if your home state requires emission testing on motorcycles. Here in TX the inspection for MC's is just a braking and lights check.
That's interesting so I guess it really doesn't matter.

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That's interesting so I guess it really doesn't matter.
Remember when the powers that be first introduced unleaded fuel?
A lot of cars with catalytic convertors started stinking like rotten egg gas.
Wasnt that something to do with the type of oil they were using.
My memory of that period of time is hazy to say thr best so I could have it all wrong, but not wrong about the pong

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I have used Rotella T6 5w40 since the first change ... I love it and so does my bike . Just shy of 12,000 mi on it so far .

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CC's will have problems if any engine fluids (oil, fuel, antifreeze) get into the exhaust system. Fuel from a too rich mixture will ignite when it hits the CC creating higher heat which can melt it. Excessive oil and antifreeze in the blow-by will plug the CC creating more back pressure than designed thus giving you poor performance.

The rotten egg smell is from the sulphur in gas. The refining process gets most out but not all. What remains is burnt up in the converter. If there is a stink either the converter is just not up to it's proper operating temperature yet or it's damaged.

By the way, there are still some arguments about how much benefit the CC's actually provide to the environment. If you are interested check out some info. Also, some of those CC's sitting idle on cars that have reached the end of their life can actually be worth quite a bit at the scrap metal dealer.

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Also, some of those CC's sitting idle on cars that have reached the end of their life can actually be worth quite a bit at the scrap metal dealer.
Your correct , they contain Platinum , very expensive .

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I posted else where a conversation I had with my Veteran Vic mechanic. He is one of the 1st to come out of Victory training since the beginning and has kept his training to date. His question to Victory brass was "what if I'm traveling and need oil or a change and can't find Vic oil ? Their answer : " Find a Walmart or any gas station that sells Rotella".

"We prefer you use Vic oil but any wet clutch JASO rated oil will do. "

Now catalytic converter issue? If you have cats it is recommended to use a JASO MA2 rated oil thus the reason why some oil blenders are re vamping their formula such as AMSOIL'S new 20 40 blend "engineered for Victory motorcycle s.

Incidentally my veteran Vic mechanic has over 75k on his vision using Amsoil and says he prefers it for smoothness and a quiet motor and drive train. No clutch issues. ( hydraulic). Vic oil is shot by 3k and he doesn't understand why Victory changed the interval to 5k other than to please the EPA and to show the public that the new improved tranny allows for extended intervals. The oil hasn't changed. If you are using a semi Syn JASO rated oil fine. Change it every 3k. Lord knows the Rotella oils are cheap enough to warrant that.

For anyone's information he is not telling you what oil to buy cause he doesn't care what you use. Keep your clutch adjusted properly and don't beat your bike too bad. Stick with one oil if you can. Using Vic oil? Change it a lot.
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That's interesting so I guess it really doesn't matter.
Thinking more of a marketing type of strategy how ever a poor running bike could cause issues to the cats when using un approved oil and fuel. CYA for the manufacturers.

The reason AMSOIL developed the new JASO MA2 oil engineered for Victory. Our site sponsor says its all based on new government requirements for the formulation of oil too meet these demands. Non harmful to cats if oil is spewed on them. Wonder what these new formulas give up in the name of protecting the cats.

A good tuned bike need not worry though.

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Straight from the 2014 manual:
Engine Oil Recommendation
Polaris Recommends the use of VICTORY brand Semi-Synthetic 20W-40 Motor Oil or equivalent motorcycle oil that is approved for use in wet clutch transmissions (such as thosewith a JASO MA rating).

The '15 manual is the same.

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