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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 07-24-2017, 11:13 PM Thread Starter
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Some here are familiar with Blackstone labs. They do consumer oil analysis, you'll find their reports scattered through this section of the forum.
You send them your oil sample and they tell you how much engine material they found in it, foreign materials, like dirt, if you need to change it more often etc.
They see a lot of oil samples. It's their business. Not surprisingly they get asked a lot which oil is best. They have a news letter. This month they wrote a good article addressing that question. .
This is a quote from the conclusion of the article.

Well, we’re no closer to saying that one type of oil is better than another,
that’s for sure. We see much more variation in wear levels from the type
of engine, the time on the oil, the viscosity, the use the engine sees, etc.
Whatever differences exist from oil brand to oil brand, we don’t see a lot
of difference in terms of wear for most types of engines.

It's here:
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/News...uly-1-2017.php
It's worth the read.

While your at it there are more very good articles from blackstone located here:https://www.blackstone-labs.com/newsletters.php
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I confess to not reading the articles yet but it sounds like the moral of the story is not oil type but that we change our oil at the right intervals. Yes?
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To misquote Castrol
"oils is oils"
Correct grade changed when advised or sooner.

We all have our preferences for different reasons.
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That was actually a really well written newsletter. I gave it a peek just to see what's up and ended up reading the entire thing and spending extra time on the charts. For some funny reason I enjoy info like this...and it lead me to a comfortable state about my oil choices for the past century.
I have been running Mobile Delvac or Shell Rotella T6 in all of my bikes and changing them at the correct intervals and had Zero issues, so I will continue to do so with Miss Pearl at her first real oil change (just under 1000 miles until 5k) and throw some good old T6 in there and call it good. Now to find a chart which talks about the best oil filters. HA!

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Simple: Name brand, wet clutch compatible.....BAM good to go.
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I know there are many conversations on the forum about oil. So, is there a product clearly superior to Victory 20w-40? Now that I understand my transmission is a time bomb, I want to do all I can. Or, Is there an equivalent product which is more widely available, and dare I say it, less expensive?

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Some here are familiar with Blackstone labs. They do consumer oil analysis, you'll find their reports scattered through this section of the forum.
You send them your oil sample and they tell you how much engine material they found in it, foreign materials, like dirt, if you need to change it more often etc.
They see a lot of oil samples. It's their business. Not surprisingly they get asked a lot which oil is best. They have a news letter. This month they wrote a good article addressing that question. .
This is a quote from the conclusion of the article.

Well, weíre no closer to saying that one type of oil is better than another,
thatís for sure. We see much more variation in wear levels from the type
of engine, the time on the oil, the viscosity, the use the engine sees, etc.
Whatever differences exist from oil brand to oil brand, we donít see a lot
of difference in terms of wear for most types of engines.

It's here:
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/News...uly-1-2017.php
It's worth the read.

While your at it there are more very good articles from blackstone located here:https://www.blackstone-labs.com/newsletters.php
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Simple: Name brand, wet clutch compatible.....BAM good to go.
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I know there are many conversations on the forum about oil. So, is there a product clearly superior to Victory 20w-40? Now that I understand my transmission is a time bomb, I want to do all I can. Or, Is there an equivalent product which is more widely available, and dare I say it, less expensive?

I'll add one more thing, change it at the recommended intervals.

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My 17yo manual states strongly to use oil rating SF or lower. Is that stll good advice?

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Simple: Name brand, wet clutch compatible.....BAM good to go.
This is exactly right. Oil is oil, it's the base and additive package that differentiate oils. You can debate the subject all day and boils down to those two things; name brand in a viscosity that's good for your temperature range and it's wet clutch compatible. I've seen Vin's tests he posted here, I sent my oil (Rotella T6, at a hair over 5000 miles, yeah, my bad ) off and it tests great. I'm using a WIX filter because it's a quality filter that I can buy almost anywhere. It shifts good, the lifters are quiet I can change the oil for less than 30 bucks and I know it's doing it's job. I figure I'm good for 200,000 miles. Except for a timing wheel, a Lloyds filter, a thrush muffler mod and a Wisco tuner I'm bone stock and I'll keep it that way.

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what kills me about oil is the guys that say there have a hard time shifting. Cause its time for a oil change. Oil has nothing to do with the shifting its you being lazy or your clutch is out of adjustment.
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