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Then by your "studies" there couldn't be two Cheetahs, two whales, two Giraffes, two of anything to start a species because of the genetic bottleneck.
Correct.
A species doesn't "start" at 2 individuals.

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How can we have an intelligent discussion if youre going to rely on facts?
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Correct.
A species doesn't "start" at 2 individuals.
Then how did we get these animals like Cheetahs?

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Have you noticed how Cheetahs basically look like most of the other large cats?
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Yeah, this complexity argument that the religious make is the most easily refuted. For this, they argue that something as complex as man or some small aspect of him like the eye could not have evolved through natural selection. They argue there is a creator who is, by necessity, more complex than its creations but they argue that this even MORE complex creator can exist without having been created while the lesser complex critter known as man must have a creator. Clearly a logical fallacy.
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HC are you up for this? LOL. Looks like you are going to try to use facts and science and it may not go well with this crowd, have a look at the Political Thread if you want a sense of it.
This is why I stopped trying to having any logical discussion with "that group" because you can not argue
with a belief system,

they believe in god because they are weak minded and need guidance.
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Anyone want to know my theory of how we got here? Warning, the theory involved decades of research and Sasquatch :-|

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The cool thing about faith is it doesn't need the validation of small-minded people to have it. You either get it or you don't.
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Then how did we get these animals like Cheetahs?
Why don't you FIND OUT? Why not ask your questions of an Evolutionary Biologist? It started with a self-replicating molecule... Did you know there are Amoeba that carry 200 times the genetic information of the human genome?

Once the genome was sequenced (by a devout Christian named Francis Collins) it became obvious that all life came from a common ancestor. You have all the genes to be a Starfish. Accepting Evolution does not mean you must reject faith. "I just don't see how this could all happen by itself" is not an explanation, nor is it a reason to reject the real answers.



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The cool thing about faith is it doesn't need the validation of small-minded people to have it. You either get it or you don't.
I see no reason to attack each other...

Out of all the world's religions, what made you decide yours is true? Why is it necessary to reject science to believe in God? If you REALLY don't trust science, get rid of that smart phone and get off the internet. When you're sick, have the ambulance take you to a church instead of a hospital.

We all trust science (we use the discoveries brought to us by the scientific method EVERY DAY). Science doesn't require faith, in fact the methods don't allow it... but to dismiss certain scientific discoveries because "I just can't see how that could be true" does require something called 'denial'.

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Like Ken Ham said, “Well, there’s this book.” Yea, but who wrote the book?

Someone else said “Fossils were placed by god to test our faith”.

Seriously?

I can’t get my head around the fact that there are many religions around the world, and most (if not all) seem to insist they are the One True Path. Which one is correct?

Occam’s Razor comes into play here, which says given a variety of scenarios, the simplest one tends to be the answer.

“How about the belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree?”

I forgot where I found that but its a good question. And if it’s wrong, well, I’m not religious.

Sounds more like a description of things to tell the masses before we actually discovered many of the truths we simply didn’t know 2000 years ago.



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