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A new scientific study came to a conclusion that all Humans and animals came from single couple. Watch the clip.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/59721138...#sp=show-clips

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A new scientific study came to a conclusion that all Humans and animals came from single couple. Watch the clip.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/59721138...#sp=show-clips
Good thing they were Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve or we wouldn't be here today.
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Good thing they were Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve or we wouldn't be here today.
ADAM & STEVE
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From my study of the topic, the way evolution through natural selection works there can be no definable 'first couple' of humans. If there were, that would cause a genetic bottleneck.

For example, the Cheetah population was once down to like 18 individuals. This genetic bottleneck resulted in the Cheetah being genetically screwed up and the animals were all so closely related that you could transplant organs from one to another and not have to be concerned about rejection... their DNA is so similar. Nature's 'fix' is that the female Cheetah will mate with several males and the cubs in the litter will have different fathers... this gives back genetic diversity to the Cheetah population.

Even IF there were a 'first couple' it does not coincide with the biblical account since they would have lived a lot longer ago than 10,000 years and they still came to be by descending from lower life forms.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael.../#122c113f7cd8


"The idea of humans being reduced to a population of two, who then had to repopulate the planet, has understandably drawn people's attention. But this idea is almost certainly wrong, for a host of reasons.

First, we should always be hesitant about drawing big conclusions from mitochondrial DNA, and especially from a single gene - even if that gene has been examined in hundreds of species. Mitochondrial DNA is only inherited from one's mother, so it necessarily only tells us about the female line. More importantly, because there is so little of it, it often misleads us. When the mitochondrial genome of Neanderthals was sequenced, it showed no sign that humans and Neanderthals had interbred. The interbreeding was only revealed when the Neanderthal nuclear genome was read.

Second, there is no trace in the geological record of any such global event in the last 200,000 years. Any event that slashed populations that significantly would surely have led to a noticeable spike in the extinction rate, and there isn't one. There are of course the extinctions linked to humans, but those occurred at separate times and locations, not simultaneously across the planet."
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From my study of the topic, the way evolution through natural selection works there can be no definable 'first couple' of humans. If there were, that would cause a genetic bottleneck.

For example, the Cheetah population was once down to like 18 individuals. This genetic bottleneck resulted in the Cheetah being genetically screwed up and the animals were all so closely related that you could transplant organs from one to another and not have to be concerned about rejection... their DNA is so similar. Nature's 'fix' is that the female Cheetah will mate with several males and the cubs in the litter will have different fathers... this gives back genetic diversity to the Cheetah population.

Even IF there were a 'first couple' it does not coincide with the biblical account since they would have lived a lot longer ago than 10,000 years and they still came to be by descending from lower life forms.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael.../#122c113f7cd8


"The idea of humans being reduced to a population of two, who then had to repopulate the planet, has understandably drawn people's attention. But this idea is almost certainly wrong, for a host of reasons.

First, we should always be hesitant about drawing big conclusions from mitochondrial DNA, and especially from a single gene - even if that gene has been examined in hundreds of species. Mitochondrial DNA is only inherited from one's mother, so it necessarily only tells us about the female line. More importantly, because there is so little of it, it often misleads us. When the mitochondrial genome of Neanderthals was sequenced, it showed no sign that humans and Neanderthals had interbred. The interbreeding was only revealed when the Neanderthal nuclear genome was read.

Second, there is no trace in the geological record of any such global event in the last 200,000 years. Any event that slashed populations that significantly would surely have led to a noticeable spike in the extinction rate, and there isn't one. There are of course the extinctions linked to humans, but those occurred at separate times and locations, not simultaneously across the planet."
Then by your "studies" there couldn't be two Cheetahs, two whales, two Giraffes, two of anything to start a species because of the genetic bottleneck.

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From my study of the topic, the way evolution through natural selection works there can be no definable 'first couple' of humans. If there were, that would cause a genetic bottleneck.

For example, the Cheetah population was once down to like 18 individuals. This genetic bottleneck resulted in the Cheetah being genetically screwed up and the animals were all so closely related that you could transplant organs from one to another and not have to be concerned about rejection... their DNA is so similar. Nature's 'fix' is that the female Cheetah will mate with several males and the cubs in the litter will have different fathers... this gives back genetic diversity to the Cheetah population.

Even IF there were a 'first couple' it does not coincide with the biblical account since they would have lived a lot longer ago than 10,000 years and they still came to be by descending from lower life forms.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael.../#122c113f7cd8


"The idea of humans being reduced to a population of two, who then had to repopulate the planet, has understandably drawn people's attention. But this idea is almost certainly wrong, for a host of reasons.

First, we should always be hesitant about drawing big conclusions from mitochondrial DNA, and especially from a single gene - even if that gene has been examined in hundreds of species. Mitochondrial DNA is only inherited from one's mother, so it necessarily only tells us about the female line. More importantly, because there is so little of it, it often misleads us. When the mitochondrial genome of Neanderthals was sequenced, it showed no sign that humans and Neanderthals had interbred. The interbreeding was only revealed when the Neanderthal nuclear genome was read.

Second, there is no trace in the geological record of any such global event in the last 200,000 years. Any event that slashed populations that significantly would surely have led to a noticeable spike in the extinction rate, and there isn't one. There are of course the extinctions linked to humans, but those occurred at separate times and locations, not simultaneously across the planet."
I'M NOT SURE OF ALL THAT. A brother and sister can have a normal child. Siblings DNA are not exactly the same some closer than others. I read a article about identical triplets that had DNA test. All by the same company at the same time. Their DNA was all different ethnicity was different DNA. So maybe with the right crosses in time you could widen the DNA matches and have or create a normal breading field. I don't know, but I do know that things are proven wrong all the time. The test I referenced said we all started from a single couple.

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I'M NOT SURE OF ALL THAT
Well, do you want to find out?
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Do you want to accept the video you posted as the conclusion?

The video you posted is FOX News interviewing a Pastor. It opens with "Researchers in the US and Switzerland are releasing a study..."
What study? By whom? They give no reference material.

The Pastor straight up tells us (as he snickers at Evolutionary Theory) exactly where his beliefs come from and lets us know, in no uncertain terms, that he does not accept science... except, of course, when it finds something to back up his beliefs. I'll bet he uses the things that science has brought us every day of his life (his LONG life due to modern medical knowledge), while speaking of his distrust of the scientific method (He's on television and the internet!).

Now, I went looking for this scientific study they speak of... I found an article on the study and it says this...
"These Primeval people are not parallel to the biblical Adam and Eve. They weren't the first modern humans on the planet, but instead just the two out of thousands of people alive at the time with unbroken male or female lineages that continue on today."


https://www.livescience.com/38613-ge...uncovered.html

https://www.newscientist.com/article...rsal-ancestor/

The finding of the study referenced in your video in no way refutes Evolutionary Theory or supports the biblical creation account in Genesis. The Pastor in the Video was simply preaching his biblical worldview with all the common arguments of complexity etc. that are used by the religious to cast doubt on Evolution.
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HC are you up for this? LOL. Looks like you are going to try to use facts and science and it may not go well with this crowd, have a look at the Political Thread if you want a sense of it.

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HC are you up for this? LOL. Looks like you are going to try to use facts and science and it may not go well with this crowd, have a look at the Political Thread if you want a sense of it.
Yeah, I've done this before... But I do appreciate your concern, though.

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