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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 07-05-2012, 12:32 PM Thread Starter
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Default 19" Cee Dragon vs 20" Cee Dragon

Don't know if anyone can answer this for me or provide some personal experience to help with my decsion, but figure it can't hurt to ask.

First some background. I am 6'1" and had the victory tall windshield on my 2010 XC along with Vic fork lowers and some home made forged bar lowers similar to Cee Flectors. Bought the bike used with the WS and fork lowers already on. Wind buffeting is usually not a problem and only experience minor buffeting at highway speed or really windy day. My tall windshield is cracking around several of the mounting holes, so I am needing to replace it before long.

Interested in the flip WS concept but have read conflicting comments about the various options not working well for my height.

Came across a 19" Cee Dragon on Ebay for a good price and decided to try it to see what it was like.

Put the Cee Dragon on the night it arrived and then went for a roughly 160 mile ride the next morning.

I really like the look of the Cee Dragon. It is much sleeker looking than the tall WS, and the sloped design even with the 19" height puts the top of the WS slightly lower than the 17" tall WS, so I am clearly looking well over the windshield from my riding position.

On the ride, I was mostly on back roads and not too much on highway so my speeds were mostly 65 mph and below.

What I felt like I noticed was that I was getting more air hitting my upper body and face (I use a 3/4 helmet with a visor that is mostly raised in the summer time), but that air was very clean so it was not causing any buffeting or discomfort. The couple times I was going 70+ it did start to feel a bit turbulent and slightly uncomfortable. If I moved my hand around the top of the WS and around the top of my helmet, I could tell there was significant air flow just at the top of my helmet. If I sat up really straight the wind would catch my open visor and push my head back. However, if sat in my normal riding positions, a bit more leaned back, the air flow around my face was tolerable. May have just been my imagination, but the bike felt more areodynamic and seemed like I was cutting through the air rather than pushing through it like on the tall WS.

So I really like the looks and the increased air I felt wasn't bad on the back roads, and in fact it felt kind of good to have little more air in the Texas summer heat. It felt like the bike was handling the air more effeciently. I also like the filled in lower center part of the WS.

My concerns now are, will the 19" Cee Dragon work for a trip riding all day for several days and many hours at 70+ mph? If I get caught in the rain will I end up with lots more rain hitting my visor and upper body? What is it going to feel like in the winter when that extra air I am feeling is really cold?

The real question I am hoping someone could shed some light on is, will the 20" Cee Dragon be noticeably different than the 19" in terms of the amount of air I feel? Will the extra inch move that air flow over my helmet instead of right at the top?

Are there other brands with a better flip design that might work better or perhaps I just need to go back to the standard design tall WS?

Thanks for reading this long post and if you have any helpful comments from actual experience, I would appreciate your insight.

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I have the 17" Cee Dragon and am also 6'1". Cee Baily's sizing chart said I should have gotten the 19" but I was concerned I might be looking thru it. I should have listened.

As for my ride it is similar to yours, lots of wind to the face but it is clean. I was thinking of getting a 19 for more wind protection during the winter months.

As for rain, with my 17" I have no problem seeing, it just sucks riding in the rain LOL It sounds like you may sit higher than me, I have a 32" inseam. To me the additional 2" to go to a 19" would put the windshield between my upper lip and nose, which is supposed to be ideal.

If you can live with your current CEE Dragon, I would wait, it seems more and more windshield options are coming out as these bike's popularity grows.

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I bought my XC used with a 17" Cee Dragon. I was getting a lot wind hitting right in the forehead and it was rattling my glasses. I also had A LOT of wind noise in my ears (I wear a half helmet most of the time.) I too really like the design and look of the Cee Dragon. I am 6'...the website said I should order an 18", but I went for 19". I can still see over the top of the windshield and the buffeting problem is all but gone. Still a little wind noise in my ears at highway speeds, but not to bad. I'd sell my 17" if anyone was interested.

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I am 6' 1" as well...started with the 19", but too much wind on the helmet. Went to the 20" and problem solved. Almost all wind gone from top of helmet. (When it is hot I have to sit up real straight to get some cooling wind into my top helmet vent).
Sitting in a comfortable upright position I am looking over the windshield, if I slouch alittle , I am looking thru it.
Bottom line is I am very happy with the 20"!

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I bought my XC used with a 17" Cee Dragon. I was getting a lot wind hitting right in the forehead and it was rattling my glasses. I also had A LOT of wind noise in my ears (I wear a half helmet most of the time.) I too really like the design and look of the Cee Dragon. I am 6'...the website said I should order an 18", but I went for 19". I can still see over the top of the windshield and the buffeting problem is all but gone. Still a little wind noise in my ears at highway speeds, but not to bad. I'd sell my 17" if anyone was interested.
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Thanks all for the comments.

I really want this WS to work, but on the highway portion of the ride home from work yesterday I was getting too much wind in the face and had to close my visor (or face sheild really) to deal with it. Of course, that immediately raises the helmet and head temp with the sun beating through the clear face sheild an no air flowing through.

Had another idea to try on the ride in this morning. I put a nylon spacer under the top mount point of the sheild to increas the angle of the rise and raise the top of the shield maybe a half inch. I think I could double the size of the spacer to 1/4" if needed, but I just used what I had laying around for now. This seemed to help a decent amount and I was able to ride the whole way to work with the face sheild raised.

If I can raise the air flow to just over my helmet I think this will work at least for a summer sheild. Not sure about the winter months, but then again I have a jacket liner, gloves, heated grips, and neck warmer to deal with that, so maybe it won't be so bad.

Maybe I'll eventually spring for a 20" Cee Dragon too.

Also, does anyone know if the Victory Flip WS has the same rise angle as the tall windshield? From the descriptions I found, I think it is the same height as the tall, but not sure if it slopes back more or is the same. It looks like it could be a decent alternative to get a little more shield hieght and still have the flip design.

I guess I am just a wind wimp as I really prefer to be protected behind and inside an area of calm. I really don't see how those riders who have no shield and no helmet can do it.

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Thanks all for the comments.

I really want this WS to work, but on the highway portion of the ride home from work yesterday I was getting too much wind in the face and had to close my visor (or face sheild really) to deal with it. Of course, that immediately raises the helmet and head temp with the sun beating through the clear face sheild an no air flowing through.

Had another idea to try on the ride in this morning. I put a nylon spacer under the top mount point of the sheild to increas the angle of the rise and raise the top of the shield maybe a half inch. I think I could double the size of the spacer to 1/4" if needed, but I just used what I had laying around for now. This seemed to help a decent amount and I was able to ride the whole way to work with the face sheild raised.

If I can raise the air flow to just over my helmet I think this will work at least for a summer sheild. Not sure about the winter months, but then again I have a jacket liner, gloves, heated grips, and neck warmer to deal with that, so maybe it won't be so bad.

Maybe I'll eventually spring for a 20" Cee Dragon too.

Also, does anyone know if the Victory Flip WS has the same rise angle as the tall windshield? From the descriptions I found, I think it is the same height as the tall, but not sure if it slopes back more or is the same. It looks like it could be a decent alternative to get a little more shield hieght and still have the flip design.

I guess I am just a wind wimp as I really prefer to be protected behind and inside an area of calm. I really don't see how those riders who have no shield and no helmet can do it.

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I have the Vic tall shield and it works very well, I believe it to be taller than the flip. I use my Gustaffson +4 now which looks much better but the Vic tall offers better wind protection. I'm 6'1" with 32" inseam and look well over the tall shield which works out real good.
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I originally bought the Victory 19" and worked well for me and for 2 up. When it developed a small crack at a monting hole I order the 19" Dragon (I am 6'3", 34 inseam). For me it is ok, not great, but ok. For two up it sucks. GF said she wass getting beat to death. When i duck down a bit I feel a big difference so the 20" may have been better for me but still not acceptable for GF.

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Buy the 20", try it out, and if you like it better than the 19".... send back the 19".
Thats what I did. They will take them back if they are not damaged.

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I am new to this Forum but I have 2012 XC and I have been dealing with the Buffeting issues myself. I have a Cee Baileys Dragon windshield as well as the Cee Baileys lowers.
I am in Florida and the heat is unbearable at times with the lowers. Anyways their is a small company that is making brackets that attach to your windshield that will allow you to adjust your windshield to raise lower and adjust it forward as well.
I contacted them and he invited me to come and try it out. They have been making them for sport bikes as well as baggers. Right now I have a pair on and I am leaving for a long distance trip in few days. They are a "Proto-Type" for now but so far they work very well.
I even have my stock windshield and it worked great on it as well.
I am 5-7 and so far the buffeting has been minimal.
You can check their website for yourself at Matstad Windshields you can google it he has a video that explains the concept.
He sells windshields with brackets but his goal is to offer just the brackets that will powder coated that will fit our windshields so don't throw away your stock shields.
He hopes to offer them soon.I hope this helps. If you have any questions I will be glad to help feel free to email me....
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