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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 07-19-2012, 09:08 PM Thread Starter
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Default Installation of the jtd hard lowers

Just got mine in, was eager to install and the install was pretty simple until I got to the wiring. To date, there are no pics or video, and I'm stuck. So, as some of you start installation would you take pics or better yet post a video. That would be greatly appreciated by the mechanically disadvantaged.

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post #2 of 20 (permalink) Old 07-23-2012, 12:44 PM
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Wish I could help, but haven't recieved mine yet.

I have the lowers with light kit ordered (since July 11), so once mine come in I will either share your pain or maybe help figure it out.

How long did it take between order and delivery for you?

Hope to be able to share more soon.

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Recieved my lowers late yesterday afternoon and started installation shortly after that. I had to remove my homemade lexan lowers first and then ran into my first snag. I couldn't find a 15 mm socket to remove the forged bar bolts. Had to run to Lowes to pick one up.

Back in the garage with the new 15 mm socket. Working the right side first, found the bolts holding the bars to the frame a real bitch to get loose. Took a bit, but finally had them off and then trying to put them back in with the JTD lower mounting bracket in place. That was also a bit of pain to get the bolts lined up and turning into the threaded hole, but finally got them in and just short of tightened up (left loose per instructions). Attaching the 3 lower bolts to the mounting brackets was a breeze and once that was done tightened up the 3 crash bar bolts and was done with one side, minus the wiring of the lights.

The left side went much smoother and quicker with no issues removing bolts or getting them back in with the lower mounting brackets in place.

Then removed the saddlebags, my Utopia backrest, the seat, and the gas tank bolts. Lifted the gas tank a bit, propped it up with a 2x6 and ran the lower light wiring down the center of the frame and zip tied them in a couple places to hold them down.

Here's where the instructions seemed a little confusing. The describe a main wiring harness that is under the seat and the wiring diagram shows all the wires that need to tapped into coming out of single connector at the end of that wiring harness. What I found is the switched power wire for the LED running lights in one bundle of wires and the turn signal wires for the LED turn signals in another bundle of wires. See picture below for what this looks like after all the posi-taps are connected.

Verified all the lights were working and bolted the gas tank, seat, and backrest back in place. Put the saddlebags back on and was ready to roll.

The look of these lowers is incredible compared to my lexan sheets. The lexans lowers didn't look that bad, but the JTD lowers look like they were part of the forged bars and came with the bike. The unpainted black plastic is somewhat shinny, so they actually look pretty close to the gloss black of my bike, maybe just slightly less glossy. I'm not sure I will even need to paint these things.

It was 9:30 pm by this time, so only had time for a short ride down a few side streets. Realized after I was down the street a bit that I had left the Vic fork lowers on, which I intended to remove. I didn't get to the highway, but ran at a pretty good speed on a main feeder road and could tell the wind managment is going to be awesome. Had the vents full open, but the wind on my legs was very clean. The effect of the angle of the opening at the outside of the lower is to funnel a clean stream of air out away from your legs towards the back of the bike and this results in a turbulance free area from the legs upward. The open inside vents allowed air to flow past the engine, also very cleanly past the lower legs. So I could feel the breeze on my legs, but it didn't feel like it was trying to rip my jeans apart. I imagine it will be great in the winter with the vents closed.

The LED lights are also incredible. They are very bright white and they compliment the 6k HID light very well. The combination really lights up the road. The LED turn signals are a nice addition too.

Anyway, I'm up too late and I've rambled on a bit so I'll just conclude with saying I am very impressed with these lowers and can't wait to get them on the higway and put some miles on with them.

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Looks really good on your bike. Nice job. And, so far, you say they're doing what they are suppossed to do.

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Good post Randy! Pictures worth a 1000 words

Couple questions, 1) are the lights adjustable? 2) when you mention the LED turn signals is that part of the kit, or something else?

I presume it gets warm in No Texas? Please post after you ride in some heat, I.e. any lowers seem to restrict airflow to some degree. We're your lexan lowers homemade or commercial?

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So my initial ride last night was with the Vic fork lowers still installed and the wind was calm.

This morning riding in to work, without the fork lowers and a pretty good cross wind and about 10 miles on the highway doing 70 mph, the results weren't as ideal as I hoped. Not sure if it was the extra wind or removing the fork lowers or just being at highway speed or maybe all three contributed to it. I probably had my expectations set too high.

The lower area, below the waist, wind management was still very good, but I was feeling more turbulance from the waist up than last night. I don't know that I would call it buffeting, so again maybe I'm being unrealistic about wanting minimal air blowing around me. Moving my hand around between the top of the crash bar and bottom of the fairing, there was a significant amount of wind coming through and flowing up the side of the gas tank into my stomach and chest area. Combined with the wind the comes over the top of my new Cee Dragon and hits just at the top of my helmet with the visor raised, I think cause just enough turbulance in my face/sunglasses area to make it annoying. I ended up closing the visor and then was fine. Still had my shirt blowing around a good bit from the wind coming under the fairing.

So as usual, the windshield and helmet factor significantly into the equation, but I do think the JTD lowers help more than not having them and more than just the sheet style lower like Cee Flectors. I also need to do a ride with the wife on the back as she always complained about the wind blowing up her pant legs before and I think that will be better with these new lowers.

I am still very impressed overall and realy realy like the look. Would be even better if I could leave the fork lowers off, but think I will have to put them back on and try the same run to work to see if they make a significant difference.

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Good post Randy! Pictures worth a 1000 words

Couple questions, 1) are the lights adjustable? 2) when you mention the LED turn signals is that part of the kit, or something else?

I presume it gets warm in No Texas? Please post after you ride in some heat, I.e. any lowers seem to restrict airflow to some degree. We're your lexan lowers homemade or commercial?
The lights are not adjustable. They seem to be wide angle so they are visible from front and a good ways towards the sides. Not sure the exact angles yet.

The lowers also include a small orange LED light strip near the top outside for the turn signals. If you look close at the picture from the front, it looks like a strip of white. This is just the effect of the flash on the camera as I didn't have the lights on when I took the picture.

The high today is 98 so I'll see if there is any noticeable difference in heat on the ride home today. My lexan lowers were homemade, but modeled after the summer version of the Cee Flectors. They didn't fill in the inside area of the crash bars as much as the Cee Flectors and they had a pretty good gap next to the engine to allow air to flow through. Biggest difference was that they were angled more from top to bottom so they pushed the air down under my feet then up into the passengers feet & legs.

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I posted this somewhere else but I'll post it again. I think the main issue with buffeting on these bikes is the distance between the rider and the fairing or windshield as well as that nice gap between the fairing and gas tank which.

My current setup on my XR is the Vic fairing. The windshield hits me at chin level and my chin is 24 1/2" away from the windshield. I get moderate buffeting with or without my forged lowers.

My Harley FLHTP windshield hits at the same height. The windshield is 20" away from my face. When I push myself all the way back on the seat but keep my face at the same level, I am 24" away from the windshield but start to get, you guessed it, moderate buffetting.
Helmet type or complete lack of helmet makes no difference. I've tried it with a beanie, full face Arai, full face Shoei and a 3/4 Bell Police Pro.

While my soft lowers help as do the JTDs and anything else out there, they are in my opinion putting a band aid on a broken leg. That distance from the windshield to the rider is the critical factor and unless you are using a flip windshield, which many report as making a huge improvement, the distance will not change.

I think this is why we see people of roughly the same dimensions with different reports of how the buffeting effects them. Look at your riding stance and that of your riding buddies. You get anything from bolt upright to Quasimodo hunching. If you are hunched forward, there is a great possibility that you are putting yourself in a sweet spot in regards to how close you are to the windshield.

I like the idea of the JTD lowers for cool weather riding and even a 10% improvement in air management would make me happy. They look great and I'm the only thing holding me back from buying a set is the fact that it is slow at work right now. I especially appreciate your honest assessment of the product. It's tough to buck up for something and not try to err on the side of "yeah it worked better than I expected."

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Billy, that is one of the best posts I have read period. I think you are exactly right and explained the problem in clear English. I am running a 2012 XC with a 17" Cee Bailey regular shield with the vent option and I also have the Wind Breakers lower deflectors. When I lean forward I definitely get into the sweet spot where everything is right with the universe and as I move back I get wind/buffeting. I use the Vic flip shield in the summer to get more air but on the highway it is impossible to ride with. I have thought about the Cee Bailey Dragon but Joe at Cee Bailey said the best air he got after months of testing was with the shield I have. Anyway, I am sure this conversation will continue but do you have any thoughts about the Dragon as a fix?
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Thanks Johnah, glad I could say something that at least one person saw as intelligent.

No idea on that particular shield but again I think rider postition might have a lot to do with it. My wife is about 4" shorter then I am. When she is on my bike, all I see is eyes and helmet. She reports no buffeting at all. However, she is a sloucher so I know for a fact that her riding position puts her closer to the fairing.

I think it is a combo of being closer to the fairing and at the right height. The lowers are icing on the cake. I know that the soft Vic shields help so I am sure that any other lower will help somewhat as well. I can only say...and this is coming from someone who would stop riding before buying a new Harley...my Harley has practically no buffetting. Something else of interest, when I put soft lowers on the Harley for the winter, there is little to no change to the airflow for the rider. Only keeps my feet warmer.

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