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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 07-20-2012, 02:42 PM Thread Starter
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Thumbs down A b!tch about XC lowers and forged bars

I love my XC. The lines and looks are unreal. However, I am really struggling with the lowers issue with the forged bars.

I feel a little sold out by Victory right now. The forged bars look awesome, they set the machine apart from other crash bars for sure. If that was the design, why didn't they put together a reasonable hard lower option for the forged bars?

I think it is brutal that we need to go to aftermarket suppliers to fix a factory problem (buffetting) that was [email protected] well obvious before the bikes were released to the market - (don't let this go into a buffetting discussion).

The soft lowers help for sure but they look terrible, like a wrinkled band aid. I have them and they do not do the bike justice. Were the soft lowers just a quick fix because Vic knew that the forged bars were being dropped in 2013 (This was what my local dealer told me).

I just hope that these JTD lowers work out for everyone. We need a nice permanent option for hard lowers. An option that looks like it is supposed to be a part of the machine, unlike the Ceeflectors and others like that. I should mention that I want to keep the forged bars I paid for rather than rip them off and put tubular bars with hard lowers, like the tour (they do look great however).

Anyhow, this is just a rant. These machines to are too nice to siimly 'make-do' for a lowers option. This is just an opinon.

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Not everyone has a complaint about buffeting. I truly believe that helmet design plays a large part and most people don't buy a helmet that fits properly. They usually buy one that is too big and "feels" more comfortable but in reality if they properly measured their head and got a helmet that fits snugly the buffeting effect would go away because the helmet would stop wobbling.

Try this. Borrow a size smaller helmet from someone and see if the buffeting is better. If it is buy a new helmet. Make sure to pull the chin strap tight.

For the record I ride a Cross Roads and buffeting is an every day thing without a wind shield. With the shield it changes the wind to underneath. If I wear a loose fitting helmet it's all over the place on my head. If I switch to a helmet that fits better I have no issues. I have been giving this advice to friends for years and in almost every case it has worked.
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I experience buffeting both with and without a helmet (2012 XC and Arai Signet Q.) Today on my way home I used my left hand to feel the air coming from the top of the windscreen and from the lowers, it does feel like the forged lowers are to blame for the "dirty air." I am hoping the JTD lowers will solve the issue, haven't ordered yet, pipes first.

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Get a smoke canister and set it off when the wind is blowing at your bike. Poor mans wind tunnel but it will show some of what is happening.
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PS, lots of motorcycles have extreme buffeting issue. My Suzuki VStrom is horrible, as was my Harley RoadGlide. Other bikes not so bad. It's not just a Victory issue.

I presume you test rode a XC before buying? Not blaming you, but had you test ridden one, or looked on any of the forums you might have known of this issue. This has been known since 2010. I realized the issue on my 1st test ride, but loved the suspension so much I figured it was worth the risk.

Victory did fix the issue, their hard lowers, along with lowers by Cee Baileys, JTD and many others. Also, there are all kinds of windshield which will help. I added the factory hard lowers which are perfect, I admit changing to round crash bars was a non event for me.

I realize it is easy to buy a bike and expect 100% perfection. Doesn't usually happen, unfortunately. The good news is that there are so many fixes available

I do realize you are just ranting, and love the bike as nearly all of us do.

BTW, the JTB lowers look pretty good from what I have seen.

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Just agreeing with you. I have the Cross Country Tour, with tubular crash bars and hard lowers. These vented lowers work great. There is no buffeting at all. Still, I wish Vic had developed them with the forged bars, which are really cool looking. Then they should have also have carried over the Vision's fantastic tip-over protection and electric-adjustable windshield.

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I just put these on my,12 CC an I,m very pleased with them. So much so I ordered the Cee Dragon windshield
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I notice that some of the 2013 XCs still have the forged bars but I just saw two at a local dealer with tubular (painted black) bars. Anyone know why they are now offering two styles of (crash) bars?

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Just agreeing with you. I have the Cross Country Tour, with tubular crash bars and hard lowers. These vented lowers work great. There is no buffeting at all. Still, I wish Vic had developed them with the forged bars, which are really cool looking. Then they should have also have carried over the Vision's fantastic tip-over protection and electric-adjustable windshield.
No disagreement from me, either. I'd just like to note that I'm not aware of any bike with an electric windshield that also doesn't have a frame-mounted fairing. I had an electric windshield on my 650 Burgman - used it a lot, and liked it a lot (in town vs. highway cruising? hot vs. cold? rain vs. sunny? etc.).

I've test-ridden a BMW RT, Kawi Concours, Vision, etc., with electric windshields, but I don't think any "bat-wing"-fairing bike has that capability. May be an issue with too much mass to move around with the handlebars.

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No disagreement from me, either. I'd just like to note that I'm not aware of any bike with an electric windshield that also doesn't have a frame-mounted fairing. I had an electric windshield on my 650 Burgman - used it a lot, and liked it a lot (in town vs. highway cruising? hot vs. cold? rain vs. sunny? etc.).

I've test-ridden a BMW RT, Kawi Concours, Vision, etc., with electric windshields, but I don't think any "bat-wing"-fairing bike has that capability. May be an issue with too much mass to move around with the handlebars.
Never focused on this...good observation. I also have had a BMW RT, and have a Burgman. Good buddy has a Vision. Electric windshields are " da bomb". If they were to offer it on the XC, I would trade in my 2011. Oh well.

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