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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 01-29-2013, 05:44 PM Thread Starter
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Left work after lunch today, got on my XR and hit the road. Rode for about 3.5 hours and having a great day till I was about .5 miles from home. Turning right off of a 4 lane onto my county road a guy crossing the 4 lane from the other side decided he didn't need to stop for me. I don't know how I didn't hit him or drop the bike but I locked up the rear brake and started sliding with the rear end coming out to the left of me. I came to a stop parallel with this guys truck and the bike was going down but I somehow was able to hold the bike up with my leg and get it pushed back up right. Rode the few hundred yard back to my driveway wondering why I didn't get a '12 XR with ABS. There were not many XR's left in my area when I bought mine and the closest 2012 model was 3.5 hours away and the 2011 that I bought was the closest XR to me at 1 hour up the road. I always use the front brake first and ease on the rear brake but I don't know what I did in this situation.

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What you did was stop before hitting the truck. The back end sliding around and ending parallel to the truck most likely kept you from hitting it versus ABS that would have maybe kept you straight but not stopped short of the truck. How close were you to the truck when you stopped? The rear brake will lock up under heavy braking because of the weight transfer to the front. Does not take much rear brake to cause this.
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I've never locked either on my 12 XCT. I never cared for ABS, but I'm finding it harder to dislike.
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I haven't done a review on these yet but I installed the TCB Brake System (http://www.tcbbrakesystems.com/) for my '10 XC. I seriously considered upgrading to the ABS of an '11 or '12 at one point before finding these. Essentially, they replace the banjo bolts on your wheels, one per brake pad.

The question is do they work? Absolutely!

I have video and analysis on my bike that proves it. I went to a parking lot and did a few "panic" stops from 40 MPH to zero. Without the system, my average stopping distance was 112 ft. and it was impossible to keep the rear end from sliding out.

After installing the TCB system, my average stopping distance was reduced to 80 ft.! And there was no rear-end slide! Just a straight stop, no drama.

The most difficult part is trusting the system - you have to train yourself to clamp and hold (those of us accustomed to standard disk brakes, non ABS, will squeeze and let go, squeeze and let go, to avoid having the rear end slide).

Very effective. I've put them on both of our Victories.

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And, actually, looking at my notes, the first test with the TCB system was 95 ft. but that's because I didn't trust the system and hold the brakes.

On my second and third attempts, my stopping distance was a very consistent 73 ft. and 74 ft.

I was going to do more testing but I didn't want to ruin my tires anymore than I already had.

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TNXR:

Very well done! It's crazy to realize you were almost taken out so close to home. Happy to hear you are a-ok.

Jagular:

I never heard of this device before. I just checked out the link you provided and it's certainly something to consider. Thanks for your write up.

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Jagular:

I never heard of this device before. I just checked out the link you provided and it's certainly something to consider. Thanks for your write up.
I agree. That device is another one that deserves its own thread. I ride my FJR in the winter and the ABS is constantly activating on the wet/sandy/salty surfaces. My XR doesn't have ABS and it bothers me a lot. I've had many bikes without it, but its like heated gear, once you find out how useful it is, it is lunacy to every go back.

As to stabbing the rear in a panic stop, I've done that numerous times too. I think it's a reaction that's probably ingrained from driving a car. It may not be a totally bad reaction as it is easier to control a bike sliding on its rear wheel than one sliding on its front wheel; though usually, it ends up with me fish tailing erratically.




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Jagular:

I never heard of this device before. I just checked out the link you provided and it's certainly something to consider. Thanks for your write up.
Test results here:

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tnxr glad you are ok and didnt get no damage if it was me i probaly would have had a few choice words for the cager

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+1 with Saddlebags comparison to a car. You as well as most people on this forum most likely have a lot more seat time in a car or truck than a bike so instinct is going to make you hit a brake pedal harder than a hand brake. IMHO people coming from long time experiance on bikes with linked brakes probably have it worse because they have to get used to using the rear brake on it's own. Hitting the front brakes too hard at the wrong time or the wrong situation could cause much more drama than anticipated.

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