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Bought a 2013 XCT this month and now have about 800 miles on here. First service was done at 500, and now I have an issue of the motor shutting off on a 2nd to 1st Down shift.

Any ideas on how to solve this?

Bike is stock. Just talked to the dealer as they told me not to down shift due to the bike going into a lean condition and the ECM shutting the motor down. I would like to make sure the bike is right before going to a power commander or an FI2000 unit.

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Question for the group,
Bought a 2013 XCT this month and now have about 800 miles on here. First service was done at 500, and now I have an issue of the motor shutting off on a 2nd to 1st Down shift.

Any ideas on how to solve this?

Bike is stock. Just talked to the dealer as they told me not to down shift due to the bike going into a lean condition and the ECM shutting the motor down. I would like to make sure the bike is right before going to a power commander or an FI2000 unit.

Ideas?
You kidding? The dealer told you not to shift from 2nd to 1st? Ever? Is this dealer aware of some problem with your particular XCT, or was the dealer stating this as a general rule with all Vic engines? Where are you located, and who is this dealer?

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Hello Squatch,

Try doing a search on this forum for "stalling". This has been an issue for others before.

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sounds like the dealer is trying to pork you!!! I have a 2011 cc i shift up and down constantly with no issues at all. I am reading to many issues on here and it seems like there are too many dealers out there that either dont know what they are talking about or they dont give a shit once they have there $$$$$!!! I hope these issues stop, because if they continue i will never buy a victory again. I have read so many posts bashing HD,but victory is going in that direction. I am very dissapointed bye what i am reading on these forums. It also seems that when one person complains about something all these people come out with all kind of issues!! Whats up with that? I am starting to wonder if i made the right choice and if these issues continue will my bike be worth shit!!!!!!

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You kidding? The dealer told you not to shift from 2nd to 1st? Ever?
Supposedly, some have had an issue blipping the throttle prior to the downshift. Some have speculated that Vic has some ECU software that sees this as an engine in runaway and cuts it off. I have a Stage 1 and blip all the time and have never had an issue, but maybe a stock bike behaves differently? I've demo'd a lot of stock bikes too though and never experienced such a problem.




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You kidding? The dealer told you not to shift from 2nd to 1st? Ever? Is this dealer aware of some problem with your particular XCT, or was the dealer stating this as a general rule with all Vic engines? Where are you located, and who is this dealer?
From what I am learning, the Vic engines are tuned very lean, using the engine to slow the bike, creates a over lean condition which shuts the bike down. Vic's party line don't down shift.

Might also be an air valve (?) creating the same condition...

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This has happened to many of us, myself included. The issue does go away once the bike is fully broken in (around 1000-2000 miles) and the ECM learns from its mistakes. Yes, I am aware the break-in period is only 500mi, but for the first 1000-2000mi the bike is really tight and losens up around that mark. This was observed by others as well (search the forum).

What you can do immediately, and easily, is to disconnect the OČ sensors. (Here's how: https://www.victoryforums.com/showpos...60&postcount=1).

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Supposedly, some have had an issue blipping the throttle prior to the downshift. Some have speculated that Vic has some ECU software that sees this as an engine in runaway and cuts it off...
That's a good point. Don't blip, as it's not necessary, and you have to learn the type of blips the ECM likes, and the ones it doesn't.

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the victory service and support(or lack of it) is really starting to worry me. now that the dealer in knoxville has closed there isn't even a local dealer and the closest one in chattanooga i wouldn't trust to work on my bike. victory SORELY needs dedicated dealers who know what they are doing and promote the brand. as it is the very dealers are what scare me about even owning a vic. victory bikes are almost an afterthought in the shops and their answer to every problem seems to be i don't know, or stop doing whatever is causing the problem. harley used to be like this during the amc years and if they weren't saved by a group of investors they would be gone. vics aren't bulletproof any more than any other brand, they have problems and need work and service just like any. maybe it WILL take the brand going belly up and being bought by actual motorcycle people to fix it.

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the victory service and support(or lack of it) is really starting to worry me. now that the dealer in knoxville has closed there isn't even a local dealer and the closest one in chattanooga i wouldn't trust to work on my bike. victory SORELY needs dedicated dealers who know what they are doing and promote the brand. as it is the very dealers are what scare me about even owning a vic. victory bikes are almost an afterthought in the shops and their answer to every problem seems to be i don't know, or stop doing whatever is causing the problem. harley used to be like this during the amc years and if they weren't saved by a group of investors they would be gone. vics aren't bulletproof any more than any other brand, they have problems and need work and service just like any. maybe it WILL take the brand going belly up and being bought by actual motorcycle people to fix it.
This is why we have forums for discussions and problem solving. Most guys that ride can wrench and the ones that don't read about how it is down so when they take it some where they will not get taken.. It will not go belly up, Canadians have investors in the brand too.

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Don't blip, as it's not necessary
If you aren't someone who rides spiritedly. If you are, be prepared for a lot of jerkiness as the tire tries to lock up on downshifts.




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