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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 12-27-2015, 08:04 AM Thread Starter
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Question HID for high beam?

I have read several threads here about swapping over to a "conversion" HID. Also have read similar on other forums, I get the pros vs cons thing. My question concerns an HID for high beam on the XCT. I have not had a bike I can remember with 2 separate bulbs in it. From what I can find the XCT uses the same bulb for high beam and low, a H 11.
So if a fellow was going to go HID, could or should he go HID for high beam also? I have to figure you would just install a double type kit, 2 ballasts, bulbs etc. My Venture has a single bulb and I went bi-xenon to get a high and low beam and it works good after headlight adjustment.

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I did HID for both low and high beam. It required dual ballasts. The problem with them is they take a few seconds to warm up. Not very useful for flash-to-pass. I ended up changing it out for an LED bulb. Ultimately I want to install the Victory LED headlight.



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So was it better with dual HID? Not much more noticeable? I know about the slow start due to the low voltage shut off of ballast. On my Venture I run the headlight thru a dedicated switch. But If I do another one, I am going to look into a time delay start relay or maybe wire it up thru the brake light switch to activate it. Your not going to get far without hitting the brake, and it would automatically turn it on so you wouldn't forget to turn it on.

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Who cares about the low beam? If you're gonna do only ONE do the high beam. That way when you need to see you have the best high beam. When putzing around with the low beam only, you are likely going slow in traffic and can't see shit anyway.

I did just the HID high beam at first... now I have both... I really didn't benefit from the HID low beam at all. Can hardly tell. If it's one or the other, do the high beam.

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The HID threw the most light in high beam but it was horrible for flashing because of the 10-second warmup. Definitely better light than the LED. If you want more light, do the HID. The LED bulb I replaced it with is extremely visible but doesn't throw useable riding light over and above the low beam HID. It's more of a safety/conspicuity thing.



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The HID threw the most light in high beam but it was horrible for flashing because of the 10-second warmup. Definitely better light than the LED. If you want more light, do the HID. The LED bulb I replaced it with is extremely visible but doesn't throw useable riding light over and above the low beam HID. It's more of a safety/conspicuity thing.
Thanks for LED info. Will cross that one off the list. I have run with a couple HD gus with LED set up and they seem to throw pretty good light out. But they also have like $7-800 bucks worth of headlight, passing lights etc on them. I'm looking at usable light. Will probably figure out some kind of passing/fog/driving light idea for a little more conspicuous.
The warm up thing is also why you cant use an HID with a modulator. Guess I could go HID low beam and add a modulator to high beam for daylight. Boy that would probably get me seen.... By the wrong guys in the funny looking cars with lights.

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There are a few things to keep in mind:
1) I was referring to LED "replacement" bulbs, not the Victory official LED headlight. The Vic light is much better than any replacement LED bulbs and I would like to get one soon.
2) Every time you turn on an HID lamp, it is 'ignited' by an ignitor to get the arc going. If you use a modulator, I would imagine that ignitor would fire on every pulse of the modulator.
3) I also have a pair of LED 'driving lights'. Yea, they throw light, but they are more visible to oncoming traffic vs the light I use to see by (same as LED replacement headlight bulbs).



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There are a few things to keep in mind:
1) I was referring to LED "replacement" bulbs, not the Victory official LED headlight. The Vic light is much better than any replacement LED bulbs and I would like to get one soon.
2) Every time you turn on an HID lamp, it is 'ignited' by an ignitor to get the arc going. If you use a modulator, I would imagine that ignitor would fire on every pulse of the modulator.
3) I also have a pair of LED 'driving lights'. Yea, they throw light, but they are more visible to oncoming traffic vs the light I use to see by (same as LED replacement headlight bulbs).
Do you have a part number for the LED high beam? What one and where did you get it.

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Do you have a part number for the LED high beam? What one and where did you get it.
The LED I have isn't a Vic part, I just bought a set on eBay for the hell of it. This is the one I ordered (in the correct base, of course):
6000K 60W 4000 LM High Power LED Bulb Headlight Kit H11 9006 9007 H13 H4 H7 H1 | eBay

Note that they don't have cooling fans. Some of them have cooling fans and I deem them them to be unreliable. I see how they often go bad in a computer environment, can't imagine them on a motorcycle.



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The LED I have isn't a Vic part, I just bought a set on eBay for the hell of it. This is the one I ordered (in the correct base, of course):
6000K 60W 4000 LM High Power LED Bulb Headlight Kit H11 9006 9007 H13 H4 H7 H1 | eBay

Note that they don't have cooling fans. Some of them have cooling fans and I deem them them to be unreliable. I see how they often go bad in a computer environment, can't imagine them on a motorcycle.
Thank you sir.

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