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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 08-28-2016, 10:38 AM Thread Starter
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Do you guys notice with more advance that there is a "courseness" to the motor? I've ran 3 to 6 degrees and settled on 5 for advance on the degree wheel. I've noticed that rolling on the throttle at 2300 rpms or cruising at 3K the engine doesn't seem as smooth. I had been running 6 until my big trip to Yellowstone and Montana and backed the wheel down to 3 degrees because I was concerned about gas quality and I had travel across 400 miles of desert heat over 110 degrees. Bike did fine on 89 and never pinged set at 3 degrees. When my trip was done I changed the wheel back to 5 degrees and felt that courseness I did at 6 degrees. I also noticed that the exhaust is louder with more advance which I like. Any thoughts on this?

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When I moved mine up to +6 the bike just didn't run right.
I didn't leave it long enough to notice exactly what it was doing, it just didn't feel right.
So I brought it back down to +4 and I'm happy with it there.
I am currently on my 4th tank of 87 octane and haven't noticed any difference yet. Mind you, it is getting cooler outside.

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Mine ran better at +6 than at +4 they're all different it seems.
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90% of the dyno tunes I see wheel is at +4
I tried that on my vision and at +4 I was pining. But then the weather was around 97 degrees. I asked Rylan and he said most vision like + 3
and CC like +4. He said 116 motors are a whole different story.
He said stay on the safe side and you'll be good

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When I had Kyle install my VFC III he said I could rum up to +6 or +7. I'm at +7 and I like it. I can always turn it back down and see what happens...



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Every engine is different, some tolerate more advance than others.
Generally the most you can run without causing pinging will give best performance.
It's a base figure that adds timing at idle up to 2500 and then combines with whatever additional advance your PCV tuner adds above those revs.
LLOYDZ advise setting at 4degrees so that's where mine is at and my PCV dyno tune takes care of the rest.
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Before KevinX dynotuned my XCT, he said for me to set the timing wheel at +5.

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Mine doesn't ping at 5 or 6 degrees just rough sounding. It pulls harded and earlier but doesnt sound smooth like 3 degrees did.

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Kyle had mine at +6 and on the Dyno it ran fine - in the real world - it would ping in the heat! I ended up dropping to +5 then to + 4 and also taking some timing out on the PC5 as per HC! I talked to Rylan form the Vic Shop in Fort Collins and he said I may have to take more off the Timing wheel if it continued, however the only time it pinged on my last trip ( and it was hot) was when we picked up some not so good regular gas ( and I added Octane booster) gas in Chugwater, Wyoming! Once that tank was done I put back in Premium and the pinging issues were gone! Mine doesn't like anything other than the good stuff!

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