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I'm looking for input from HARDBALL owners. I would like to know what is your impression on the bike in the following areas:
1. Comfort
2. Touring
3. Urban/Around town maneuverability
4. Performance
5. Handling
6. Overall- impression/ Cool Factor

I purchased a Vegas 8 ball about 2 weeks ago. I think it is a "class" leader and just an amazing bike. This is my first victory and I am so very impressed. I love the Vegas, but I am strongly considering bike #2. I can get a Demo HARDBALL for about 3K off MSRP. I am strongly considering it as second bike. The purpose would be to use for longer jaunts on the interstate and multi day trips. That said, I would ditch the APES, put on vegas bars and add a detachable windshield.

The Rider: 5'9, 180lbs. mid 30s. I have been riding for several years and have over 20K miles under my belt. I have owned muscle cruisers and naked sport bikes in the past.

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Ladies & Gents-

I'm looking for input from HARDBALL owners. I would like to know what is your impression on the bike in the following areas:
1. Comfort
2. Touring
3. Urban/Around town maneuverability
4. Performance
5. Handling
6. Overall- impression/ Cool Factor

I purchased a Vegas 8 ball about 2 weeks ago. I think it is a "class" leader and just an amazing bike. This is my first victory and I am so very impressed. I love the Vegas, but I am strongly considering bike #2. I can get a Demo HARDBALL for about 3K off MSRP. I am strongly considering it as second bike. The purpose would be to use for longer jaunts on the interstate and multi day trips. That said, I would ditch the APES, put on vegas bars and add a detachable windshield.

The Rider: 5'9, 180lbs. mid 30s. I have been riding for several years and have over 20K miles under my belt. I have owned muscle cruisers and naked sport bikes in the past.

Looking forward to your input.
My 2011 XR has the Hard Ball apes on. The only thing I cannot comment is the paint on the HardBall or the spoke wheels, but my XR with HB apes is one great scoot. No issues with handling, keeps your armpits well ventilated, and for my 5'10" frame it fits like a glove, and is comfortable on short and longer trips. As far as cool factor is concerned, you shouldn't have any doubts, as the HardBall speaks for itself.

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I'm not sure what you are wanting to do with your apes but i'm looking to add those apes to my vegas...would love to swap you. If you get the bike of course.

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I'm not sure what you are wanting to do with your apes but i'm looking to add those apes to my vegas...would love to swap you. If you get the bike of course.
Cant do apes- not yet at least. If I get the bike. we can swap bars.

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I'm looking for input from HARDBALL owners.
Lesson 1: Victories come in two flavors. Aluminum chassis tourers and steel framed cruisers. Except for tire, handlebar, and tank sizes there ain't much difference. The only notable difference is the tourers have the best ground clearance and suspensions.

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I am strongly considering it as second bike. The purpose would be to use for longer jaunts on the interstate and multi day trips.
Changing the bars won't be sufficient. You'll want a windscreen. You may even find the apes reasonably comfortable with a windscreen. Without one, if you're like me (and being human, you likely are) you'll find your knuckles begin to ache from holding on.

I was riding down the highway sans windscreen the other day and started to get scared that I might fatigue to the point that I lost my grip. I got off at the next exit and took back roads from there on home.

Fact is, you could save yourself a whole lot of money by buying a windscreen, lowers, and bags and slapping them on when you want to go long.




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Lesson 1: Victories come in two flavors. Aluminum chassis tourers and steel framed cruisers. Except for tire, handlebar, and tank sizes there ain't much difference. The only notable difference is the tourers have the best ground clearance and suspensions.



Changing the bars won't be sufficient. You'll want a windscreen. You may even find the apes reasonably comfortable with a windscreen. Without one, if you're like me (and being human, you likely are) you'll find your knuckles begin to ache from holding on.

I was riding down the highway sans windscreen the other day and started to get scared that I might fatigue to the point that I lost my grip. I got off at the next exit and took back roads from there on home.

Fact is, you could save yourself a whole lot of money by buying a windscreen, lowers, and bags and slapping them on when you want to go long.

Great input. I don't have a windshield on my vegas- I know what you mean about the "knuckles". I recently put a mini windshield, on it- returned it today, as I was not happy with the performance. I think a windshield is a must from the Hardball

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1. Comfort - VERY comfortable .. wife loves the wide back seat, but the sissy bar hits her a little wrong, so we're looking to get it shaved down some to fit her better
2. Touring - HUGE saddle bags! love the fact that I can pack a whole weekend's worth of clothes in there & still have room to spare. MUCH more room than some of the guys' HD's I ride with.
3. Urban/Around town maneuverability - handles like a champ. don't have any issues getting around town or on the open road.
4. Performance - can't beat that 106" engine with 6 gears .. guys in my club always give me shit about being the fastest bagger in the group. haha
5. Handling - again, handles like a champ! I can carve the twisties with the best of them & the balance of the bike is like none I've ever ridden - I've had probably 10 bikes over the years & well over 100,000 miles on them and this is by far the best handling & most comfortable bike I've ever ridden
6. Overall- impression/ Cool Factor - ALWAYS get compliments on the bike everywhere I go. People have actually turned around to come back to a gas station just to talk to me about the bike

as for the apes ... they ARE adjustable, so if they're a little too high for you, just pull them back towards you. I don't know why you'd want to get rid of them .. they're actually quite comfortable. plus, get the bat wing for it & not the windshield ... talk about killing the look of an awesome looking bike ... try riding it with the handlebars adjusted properly & you'll probably change your mind on getting rid of them
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You guys aren't helping my second-guessing on not going with a Hard-Ball instead of my High-Ball. The single only reason I didn't (besides bumping from mid $13k to darn near $19k is the seat height.. I'm told the Hard-Ball seat is a lower profile than the typical Cross bike, so I'd like to find one to sit on to compare to my High-Ball. Though I'm 6'1" I like sitting looooooow so the High-Ball is more a fit, but the trade off for all the Hard-Ball amenities and long-haul comfort may be a good one... someday.

Hard-Ball Seat Height 26.3 in vs High-Ball Seat Height 25.0 in is a bit of difference.. However, if I went with a Mustang seat to make the High-Ball actually comfortable for any miles, they'd be about the same. Chalking up a point in favor of the Hard-Ball again. Damnit! If I trade, my wife's gonna kill me in my sleep. Any hard-ball guys wanna trade over to a High-Ball? LOL!

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1. Comfort - VERY comfortable .. wife loves the wide back seat, but the sissy bar hits her a little wrong, so we're looking to get it shaved down some to fit her better
2. Touring - HUGE saddle bags! love the fact that I can pack a whole weekend's worth of clothes in there & still have room to spare. MUCH more room than some of the guys' HD's I ride with.
3. Urban/Around town maneuverability - handles like a champ. don't have any issues getting around town or on the open road.
4. Performance - can't beat that 106" engine with 6 gears .. guys in my club always give me shit about being the fastest bagger in the group. haha
5. Handling - again, handles like a champ! I can carve the twisties with the best of them & the balance of the bike is like none I've ever ridden - I've had probably 10 bikes over the years & well over 100,000 miles on them and this is by far the best handling & most comfortable bike I've ever ridden
6. Overall- impression/ Cool Factor - ALWAYS get compliments on the bike everywhere I go. People have actually turned around to come back to a gas station just to talk to me about the bike

as for the apes ... they ARE adjustable, so if they're a little too high for you, just pull them back towards you. I don't know why you'd want to get rid of them .. they're actually quite comfortable. plus, get the bat wing for it & not the windshield ... talk about killing the look of an awesome looking bike ... try riding it with the handlebars adjusted properly & you'll probably change your mind on getting rid of them


Well- that settles it. I'm sold. Actually been sold on that CRUISER platform ( CR.XR) for a while now. I have demo'd both bikes, and loved them. I know the XD is the same thing- just with Apes. I am going to wait until the end of the year, so I I can get a good deal on a 2013. Last Year they have -3K on all victory DEMO bikes at the end of the year. Hopefully it happens again this year

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You guys aren't helping my second-guessing on not going with a Hard-Ball instead of my High-Ball. The single only reason I didn't (besides bumping from mid $13k to darn near $19k is the seat height.. I'm told the Hard-Ball seat is a lower profile than the typical Cross bike, so I'd like to find one to sit on to compare to my High-Ball. Though I'm 6'1" I like sitting looooooow so the High-Ball is more a fit, but the trade off for all the Hard-Ball amenities and long-haul comfort may be a good one... someday.

Hard-Ball Seat Height 26.3 in vs High-Ball Seat Height 25.0 in is a bit of difference.. However, if I went with a Mustang seat to make the High-Ball actually comfortable for any miles, they'd be about the same. Chalking up a point in favor of the Hard-Ball again. Damnit! If I trade, my wife's gonna kill me in my sleep. Any hard-ball guys wanna trade over to a High-Ball? LOL!


I know what you mean by sitting "low" or in "in" the bike vs "high" and "on". I am big fan of sitting in the bikes. Probably one of the major factors in selling my Naked Sports bike- as I was on ON and not IN.

Anyways, why not try to sell your bike private party- so you dont take as much as a loss. Then towards FALL, head into to VIC and snatch a bike on a good CLOSEOUT sale.

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