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post #1 of 47 (permalink) Old 11-27-2010, 06:05 PM Thread Starter
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Question Hey Harley converts:

Just kinda wondering you guys that jumped ship from HD to the Vic cross bikes:
1)What one thing do you miss most about the HD?

2)How would you compare smoothness at 75-80mph between the two?

On my new XC, I start to get some noticeable vibes at 75 on up, mostly in the floorboards & also in the rear view mirrors. I am not whining about it, in fact it encourages me to keep her down to 70 & enjoy the countryside at a safer speed. The bike is still the smoothest one I've owned. At idle, I don't think you could find a smoother V-twin out there. And besides, no motor mounts to wear out.
Other than wind management, I think the XC is a real winner!

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post #2 of 47 (permalink) Old 11-28-2010, 03:41 AM
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Never been on a HD BUT I think the new frame for the X bikes and Vision have some vibration issues. I know that when the Vision first came out in 08 Victory discovered that there was harmonic vibration from the frame that was messing up and even destroying the hard drive Ipods.
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Been riding Harleys for years now, but really the main reason I switched over was because I saw that Victory was putting out a product that utilized better engineering techniques instead of being mired in tradition alone. Please don't get me wrong, I certainly love all that Harley has done for the sport, and thoroughly enjoy all the benefits riding one has brought into my life. Hell, 90+% of my friends ride Harleys, which made my decision to jump ship that much more difficult, but I've always been one to march to a beat of a different drummer. Besides, my wife still rides a Softail, so that allows me to hang out with the crowd as a hang-around...

Harley has been improving its product line slowly over the years, but it seems all they do for a new model is to reconfigure bits from previous models and call it new. They've really not come out with anything new since the V-Rod. And I used to bitch about the prices of their parts and accessories, that is until I started trying to outfit my XC. $350 for saddlebag top rails, WTF? But one thing to remember is that I don't have to do much to it to make it stand out, since I'm the only one riding one over here that I've seen so far.

Now for the vibration issue... My first Harley had a solid mounted engine, which rode almost exactly the same as my XC, which starts to get uncomfortable over about 75mph. My newer Harleys had rubber mounted engines, which had no vibration issues at higher speeds. Hell, if it wasn't for the fuel suckage and the engine complaining, I could cruise at 100mph, which I do occasionally (gotta love the Autobahn). The XC's engine doesn't complain at that speed, but the driver (me) does. Kind of a shame. Guess I'll be stuck cruising slower, which works better for the Frau anyway.

Hope I answered your questions, sorry I got a little long-winded.

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Never been on a HD BUT I think the new frame for the X bikes and Vision have some vibration issues. I know that when the Vision first came out in 08 Victory discovered that there was harmonic vibration from the frame that was messing up and even destroying the hard drive Ipods.
Diamond: I had a first generation I-pod on my XC & yes, the hard drive would freeze up after about 15 minutes of use. My son says that they have been known to do that (not bike related). The newer generation I-pod touch uses a different drive & does not have issues so I stole the wife's and it works great.

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Been riding Harleys for years now, but really the main reason I switched over was because I saw that Victory was putting out a product that utilized better engineering techniques instead of being mired in tradition alone. Please don't get me wrong, I certainly love all that Harley has done for the sport, and thoroughly enjoy all the benefits riding one has brought into my life. Hell, 90+% of my friends ride Harleys, which made my decision to jump ship that much more difficult, but I've always been one to march to a beat of a different drummer. Besides, my wife still rides a Softail, so that allows me to hang out with the crowd as a hang-around...

Harley has been improving its product line slowly over the years, but it seems all they do for a new model is to reconfigure bits from previous models and call it new. They've really not come out with anything new since the V-Rod. And I used to bitch about the prices of their parts and accessories, that is until I started trying to outfit my XC. $350 for saddlebag top rails, WTF? But one thing to remember is that I don't have to do much to it to make it stand out, since I'm the only one riding one over here that I've seen so far.

Now for the vibration issue... My first Harley had a solid mounted engine, which rode almost exactly the same as my XC, which starts to get uncomfortable over about 75mph. My newer Harleys had rubber mounted engines, which had no vibration issues at higher speeds. Hell, if it wasn't for the fuel suckage and the engine complaining, I could cruise at 100mph, which I do occasionally (gotta love the Autobahn). The XC's engine doesn't complain at that speed, but the driver (me) does. Kind of a shame. Guess I'll be stuck cruising slower, which works better for the Frau anyway.

Hope I answered your questions, sorry I got a little long-winded.
Nice to hear from someone in the "Old Country". I bett you get nailed a lot by the BMW gang over there! My dealer just sold a used B'mer with the 2cyl boxer engine. I don't know what model it was but it made the Vision look like it actually belonged on this planet When the mechanic started it up, it put out a ton of smoke & sounded like a sewing machine. He told me that all the oil drains down to the left cylinder when the bike is on the side stand & this was normal. The smoke was so frikin bad, you could have used it for mosquito control......what a joke!
As for the price of Vic accessories, I agree too high, but at least they are available. When I bought a new Suzuki model, had to wait 2yrs before anything came out on the aftermarket.
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Actually I was thinking about going Harley when I bought my Victory....I went into the dealership and he was such an asshole that I walked out...Well, right next door was a Victory dealership...so I figured Hey, what the hell....went in and took 3 different bikes for test rides...went home did some homework and research...went back about a week later and bought the Victory......and yes, I did stop by the Harley dealer on my way by.....and thanked him for being an asshole...Sent Harley a letter but I guess they care as much about customers as the dealer did as I got no answer....and hey my Victory doesn't leak oil either....!!!!
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Having run mutiple thousand mile weeks on both a Vision, and a couple of X bikes. I am allways surprised to hear complaints about vibration. I don't know if it is because I wear insulated boots, but I have run hundreds of miles a day at well over 80 with not a thought to vibration being intrusive
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I am not a complete convert as of yet.
I have been riding HD's off and on for a lot of years. Probably more than some of you are old.
I kept my 07 Ultra Classic, just couldn't part with it.

These bikes are like comparing apples to oranges. Vibration is much more so on my XC than my Ultra. The mirrors suck on my XC period, but that's a easy fix. I really do not mind the vibration that much. My wife likes it and so does my female friends. They are not girl friends mind you, just friends.
What do I miss about the HD?
CD/mp3, sitting position, and most important to me is the availability/prices on the chrome and other accessories. I am a down right out chrome whore. You have to order everything and wait for weeks for the stuff to come in for the XC.

I do like the XC and it is a lot of fun to ride. Even my wife likes it which kinda surprised me, I am not adding the trunk. Do not like it on this bike. It looks too kool with out it.
My Ultra has better power and the mpg seems to be about the same as the XC, but the Ultra should I have done a little work on the engine and the XC is stock.

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The Harley is at the end of it's run with the TC88, 96, & 103. 'Bout got all they can get outta that design. But unless you're into nothing but racing the TC is more than ample. Handling goes to Vic - no comparo. Fit & finish to HD, especially the paint. The Vic 106 and the Twin Cam balanced engines are similar in that they are very smooth at idle and show more vibration as you rev. them. The rubber mounted TC engines shake at idle but once you let out the clutch there's nothing as smooth on the road today. But Ive never found either the balanced TC or the Vic engine to be offensive.
Nothing sounds like a Harley....period! Braking is about equal I'd say since Harley outbid Victory for the Brembos. Lack of aftermarket stuff for Victory is severely lacking but growing daily.
I'd sum it up by saying that Harley represents old technology that's been stroked and polished. Victory represents new technology that eventually will put it miles ahead of HD. Right now I'd say both are excellent products.
JMHO after a lot of smile on both!
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Yeah. The mirrors do get a little fuzzy at 80. I'm still in break-in mode and waiting on a taller windshield. Why they put the blade shield on as a stock shield is beyond me. It should have an 11" at least.

Mine was making some strange noises yesterday when is was warm. I checked the oil today and it was about a half quart down. Makes me wonder if it was filled right when I got it since it still only has about 300 miles on it.

I miss having an HD but I know as soon as I get these wind issues taken care of; this will be a great bike. People want to know about it whenever I stop at places other bikers are hanging out.

There's a big difference in power between the Jackpot and the XC. I'm sure the hundred pound difference between the two has something to do with that. The JP would run circles around the XC though. There is that much difference. I'll make some changes to the engine in time and I think I'll keep the mufflers quiet.
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