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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 12-08-2010, 11:36 PM Thread Starter
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Okay so I'm one of the lucky few who won a XC (skulls) for the summer with Victory's True American Road Trip contest. Lots of fun miles. Anyway, the deal was I had to turn the bike back in at the end of the year. They've given us an opportunity to buy the bike kind of like the end of a lease. My question is this: what would you consider a fair price for a bike with almost 12k miles on it? Also, isn't it in Victory's best interest to make it easy for every one of the TART riders to buy their bikes? Wouldn't that be bad press if these bikes were simply turned back in?

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Wouldn't that be bad press if these bikes were simply turned back in?
Yes, it would make the front page of New York Times, and all Victory sales would freeze. C'mon man, are you serious? They've let you ride the thing for free for a year, and now it would be bad press if they took the thing back?

You have the opportunity to buy a used bike of which you know the whole history on it. You know how it was ridden for each and every mile. Pricing wise, look it up on KBB to make sure you're getting a good deal.

Victory knows you've ridden their product for 12k miles, and they know you're hooked. If you don't buy the one you rode, you'll buy a new one. Hehehe.

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Yes, it would make the front page of New York Times, and all Victory sales would freeze. C'mon man, are you serious? They've let you ride the thing for free for a year, and now it would be bad press if they took the thing back?

You have the opportunity to buy a used bike of which you know the whole history on it. You know how it was ridden for each and every mile. Pricing wise, look it up on KBB to make sure you're getting a good deal.

Victory knows you've ridden their product for 12k miles, and they know you're hooked. If you don't buy the one you rode, you'll buy a new one. Hehehe.
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Right, I do know everything this bike has been through and I've loved riding it. But the question is do I buy a bike with 12k on it or do I spend close to the same amount for one with 2k on it, or one with no miles on it, for not much more? When you buy a bike do you care how many miles are on it? Of course. If you were looking at two bikes, both at same price, but one has half the miles of the other it's obvious which one you'd go with.

My point is, it should be a no-brainer and it's not. A deal you just do without thinking. Every rider has been given the opportunity to buy their bike. As it is now I don't know of a single rider from this contest who is actually planning on purchasing their bike. What does that say?
No sales are not going to come to a halt and the NY Times is not going to write about it. But you can bet your ass Victory's competitors will relish it and use it to their advantage. If I'm selling Harley's or Stars or whatever against Victory I'd use it. It doesn't sound like good public relations to me. Maybe your definition is different than mine.

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As it is now I don't know of a single rider from this contest who is actually planning on purchasing their bike.
I'm fairly sure selling those bikes to you wasn't the motive for Victory letting you guys ride 'em for a year.

You never told us how much they offered you the bike for. Without that, it's tough for us to throw our 2 cents in.

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I'm fairly sure selling those bikes to you wasn't the motive for Victory letting you guys ride 'em for a year.

You never told us how much they offered you the bike for. Without that, it's tough for us to throw our 2 cents in.
I think you're right. That wasn't the motive. Victory got tons and tons of really good content from just about everyone who was involved. I think that's what they were going for. And make no mistake, it wasn't some free ride. I'm not the only one who felt like it was a job. Dream job for sure, but still work non the less. It was not uncommon to get back from a trip with over 10,000 photos to sort through and process. Don't get me wrong, I loved it but it took loads of time. As far as I'm concerned we earned every mile we put on those bikes.
I think they are giving us a deal on the bikes, but not like you'd expect. That's what I'm saying, if it were a killer deal more of us would be owning these bikes when its over. Do you think $14k is a good deal for a bike with 12k on it? eh.
Now if it were $10k there's no thought to that. "Sure, I loved riding it and it seems like a smoking deal, why not."
I don't know what the others have been offered. But based on comments from our last conference call its not looking like many, if any will end up buying the bikes. Which I think is a shame.

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I'm fairly sure selling those bikes to you wasn't the motive for Victory letting you guys ride 'em for a year.

You never told us how much they offered you the bike for. Without that, it's tough for us to throw our 2 cents in.

A 2010 Touring bike, according to KBB, should have 2920 miles. KBB also makes the following statement:
Of course. You can't have one that's a theft recovery and thrashed but only 1000 miles. I'm talking same condition. Let's not split hairs here.

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Of course. You can't have one that's a theft recovery and thrashed but only 1000 miles. I'm talking same condition. Let's not split hairs here.
Yes, same condition, same price, you buy the one with less miles.

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it simple really....you like the bike...? Then either get a good price or if the prices are that close between a new on or the one that you rode take a new one....if nothing else for the warranty......its a win...win situation....
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I don't know what the others have been offered. But based on comments from our last conference call its not looking like many, if any will end up buying the bikes. Which I think is a shame.
Don't make this an emotional decision. You're looking to buy a used bike. The only special thing about it is that you know its history better than anybody else. So if you do buy it, you're just not taking a chance that there's something wrong with the bike that you don't know about.

You're right, Victory's not giving away the bike (and in my opinion, they shouldn't). Personally, if I spend $14k, I'd rather get a new one, but that's just my preference. That doesn't mean the deal they offered you is bad. KBB Suggested Retail Value is $15895, so they've already given you almost $2k off. Sounds like a deal you might get after negotiating back and forth with your local dealer for a few hours. Most of my concerns with buying a used bike are if the bike was well maintained, dropped, abused. All those questions you don't have to worry about, because you have the answer.

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