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After riding with a bunch of great folks on cross bikes at the Tennessee rally I took a little trip to Greer and rode a hard-ball. Ride comfort - exemplary, handling - better than a bagger could be asked to, however I couldn't get passed the seat position. I'm so used to sitting more on the fender and lower. I think the backrest bugged me as it pushed me more forward than I prefer. Probably without it would have been much better. So since I was iffy about a used bike, I left her there and took my high-ball home but a great deal on a darn near new hard-ball. I can say though, there will be no bagger in my garage unless it's a victory. Damn impressive bikes. Thought I'd share the thoughts. I kinda wish I had put some fresh gas in the bike as it had been sitting a while. Also the hard-ball seems much more blacked out than the high-ball. It's completely blacked where the high-ball has at least a little contrast with the folks, speedo etc.

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After riding with a bunch of great food on cross bikes at the Tennessee rally I took a little trip to Greer and rode a hard-ball. Ride comfort - exemplary, handling - better than a bagger could be asked to, however I couldn't get passed the seat position. I'm so used to sitting more on the fender and lower. I think the backrest bugged me as it pushed me more forward than I prefer. Probably without it would have been much better. So since I was iffy about a used bike, I left her there and took my high-ball home but a great deal on a darn near new hard-ball. I can say though, there will be no bagger in my garage unless it's a victory. Damn impressive bikes. Thought I'd share the thoughts. I kinda wish I had put some fresh gas in the bike as it had been sitting a while. Also the hard-ball seems much more blacked out than the high-ball. It's completely blacked where the high-ball has at least a little contrast with the folks, speedo etc.

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Could you not have just pulled the driver backrest up and out of it's slot in the seat?

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Yeah, I didn't let it bug me too much as I saw it for what it was, but didn't realize it could be easily removed. That would have been nice as it would have dramatically changed the seat position. It would have been a better assessment.

The seat, I could tell, is quite comfy as expected from a cross bike, though I've come to be so used to sitting "in" rather than "on" the bike. I imagine when I swap to a corbin on the High-Ball, I hope I don't lose that on the high-ball too much as trade off for a far better seat weight distribution and shape.

If I had it to do again, I would have gassed it up with fresh fuel, got in the throttle more after warm up to blow out the cobwebs and gotten more passed the little engine noises (as I was going to a very quiet stock X bike from my HB with Slash pipes). AND pulled that &%^$ backrest. I believe now in hindsight it's a fine fine bike and a great deal. ... but I'd have to keep my High-Ball. Freakin' love that bike.

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The seat, I could tell, is quite comfy as expected from a cross bike, though I've come to be so used to sitting "in" rather than "on" the bike. I imagine when I swap to a corbin on the High-Ball, I hope I don't lose that on the high-ball too much as trade off for a far better seat weight distribution and shape.
I have troubled hips and riding around with my knees above my pelvis does not do a thing for me. My wife doesn't even want to consider bikes that put her in that form and her hips are fine. It's just a very unnatural position.

I am short and I feel it when I don't ride with an Air Hawk or other pad to sit me up a smidge higher.

But anyway, as you've stated in another thread, the Hard Ball is another tube tired bike that could really put you in a crappy situation if you caught a nail out in BFE. Why would you want to spend all that money for a bagger like that? I'd be afraid to ride a bike like that away from civilization and that's a lot of bike for a bar hopper.




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But anyway, as you've stated in another thread, the Hard Ball is another tube tired bike that could really put you in a crappy situation if you caught a nail out in BFE. Why would you want to spend all that money for a bagger like that? I'd be afraid to ride a bike like that away from civilization and that's a lot of bike for a bar hopper.
Well exactly.. A ton of little thoughts popped in my head about it while riding, such as if you're gonna go bagger, go sure-enough bagger.. Something meant to go the distance. Which explains why the CC's are such the rage.

I was thinking a conventional chromed out CC full-fairing, with a Focal speaker + Arc Audio amp sound system upgrade like they had in the store, dialed in with bag protection bars, forged engine guards, lowers maybe, highway pegs, cup-holder, and maybe even a luggage rack for the loooong hauls. I'd still go with some apes though.. They just fit me right.

Now THAT would be the way to go if you were going to do a tour bike.

An iron-butt ready bike you can still throw around in the twisties when you asked it to. The do everything bike and have your tunes coming at ya nice and clean in the process. WITH tubeless tires, but a repair kit with compressor in check.. just incase.

I'm with ya.

The bike I SHOULD be talking about is a CC in solid red, blacked out with Ness wheels that the owner is driving around but would sell. That'd be a great great scoot, though it's got a 21" up front that may fly in the face of a long-mile tour-scoot. But sitting there it's a work of art.

... Until then, since I'm in this High-Ball so good with a silly down payment, I'll hang on my steel-frame with contemplations of the wife-hauler weekend-fun-scoot later down the road. Though I'm shopping premium leather bags and a corbin tour seat, which is like blasphemy for a high-ball. That much convenience and capacity on a bar-hopping high-ball would probably look like socks on a rooster.

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Well exactly.. A ton of little thoughts popped in my head about it while riding, such as if you're gonna go bagger, go sure-enough bagger.. Something meant to go the distance. Which explains why the CC's are such the rage.

I was thinking a conventional chromed out CC full-fairing, with a Focal speaker + Arc Audio amp sound system upgrade like they had in the store, dialed in with bag protection bars, forged engine guards, lowers maybe, highway pegs, cup-holder, and maybe even a luggage rack for the loooong hauls. I'd still go with some apes though.. They just fit me right.

Now THAT would be the way to go if you were going to do a tour bike.

An iron-butt ready bike you can still throw around in the twisties when you asked it to. The do everything bike and have your tunes coming at ya nice and clean in the process. WITH tubeless tires, but a repair kit with compressor in check.. just incase.

I'm with ya.

The bike I SHOULD be talking about is a CC in solid red, blacked out with Ness wheels that the owner is driving around but would sell. That'd be a great great scoot, though it's got a 21" up front that may fly in the face of a long-mile tour-scoot. But sitting there it's a work of art.

... Until then, since I'm in this High-Ball so good with a silly down payment, I'll hang on my steel-frame with contemplations of the wife-hauler weekend-fun-scoot later down the road. Though I'm shopping premium leather bags and a corbin tour seat, which is like blasphemy for a high-ball. That much convenience and capacity on a bar-hopping high-ball would probably look like socks on a rooster.
I tell ya what, I think of the cruisers, my favorite for 2014 is the Highball.

1. You can get nice looking if small bags for it. Certainly big enough to do a week or so solo.

2. The Vegas Bandit seat fits it (and your's too I'm sure). They look and feel great at least on the showroom floor.

3. I dig the whitewalls and they now come with the Judge wheels. Metz 880s surely tubeless.

4. They show blacked out fly bars available for $99. I know it's a misprint, but a guy can dream, right? No apes for this guy.

Actually, some cartridge emulators and a decent shock could make this bike a Kingpin killer. If I owned one, I'd take advantage of the part upgrades.

You can have my share of the flame paint jobs. Not my cup of tea to begin with, but the amateur two dimensional look is really Japanese Harley wannabe cheesy to my eye.




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I tell ya what, I think of the cruisers, my favorite for 2014 is the Highball.

1. You can get nice looking if small bags for it. Certainly big enough to do a week or so solo.

2. The Vegas Bandit seat fits it (and your's too I'm sure). They look and feel great at least on the showroom floor.

3. I dig the whitewalls and they now come with the Judge wheels. Metz 880s surely tubeless.

4. They show blacked out fly bars available for $99. I know it's a misprint, but a guy can dream, right? No apes for this guy.

Actually, some cartridge emulators and a decent shock could make this bike a Kingpin killer. If I owned one, I'd take advantage of the part upgrades.

You can have my share of the flame paint jobs. Not my cup of tea to begin with, but the amateur two dimensional look is really Japanese Harley wannabe cheesy to my eye.
You lost me on "fly bars" and "cartridge emulators" which I'll have to learn up on, but I'm definitely thinking of making the bike an all-day road-worthy day-tourer disguised as a bar-hopper.

A better rear shock setup I've read is a night/day difference to consider. Olin or similar maybe. So I'm considering being blasphemic and adding detachable bags of some nice type (leatherworks, us saddlebag, etc).

More importantly a corbin seat. Sat on a pin with one and was sold but the firm but properly shaped setup that didn't appear to move the seat position terribly much. Maybe a little higher and/or more forward, but given the benefit of relief to the tailbone, worth the compromize. Need to see if the solo is as comfy as the big bulbous dual tour. I suspect the dual tour is far better support by nature of the driver section's shape. Half_Crazy I think has a different opinion on it, not so favorable.

I too was very pleased to see the Judge wheels on the High-Ball, for asthetics alone, but going tubeless would be awesome in and of itself. It's a thought, but lower on the priority.

Seat upgrade
Highway pegs (I guess the frame mount kury types)
Passenger peg kit (ouch $$)
Detach windshield of some type (low fly, etc.. Already picked up lock & ride brackets)
Detach bags (something that would compliment the outlaw look of the bike but removable)
Rear suspension upgrade

... Sounds like a good recipe for a surprising weekender high-ball.

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You lost me on "fly bars" and "cartridge emulators" which I'll have to learn up on, but I'm definitely thinking of making the bike an all-day road-worthy day-tourer disguised as a bar-hopper.
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A better rear shock setup I've read is a night/day difference to consider. Olin or similar maybe.
Don't know if Ohlin's makes anything for the cruisers, but someone wrote that they got a Penske for their bike recently.

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More importantly a corbin seat. Sat on a pin with one and was sold but the firm but properly shaped setup that didn't appear to move the seat position terribly much. Maybe a little higher and/or more forward, but given the benefit of relief to the tailbone, worth the compromize. Need to see if the solo is as comfy as the big bulbous dual tour. I suspect the dual tour is far better support by nature of the driver section's shape. Half_Crazy I think has a different opinion on it, not so favorable.
I've owned them for several bikes. Have one right now on an FJR. Always end up selling them after years and tens of thousands of miles of service (still looking new) for at least half what I paid for them. Count me as a fan.

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Seat upgrade
Highway pegs, or the Vegas extended pegs in the catalog maybe
Detach windshield of some type (low fly, etc)
Detach bags
Rear suspension upgrade

... Sounds like a good recipe for a surprising weekender high-ball.
Sounds like a plan. Just be sure to carry some spoons and an extra inner tube if you find yourself wandering too far from towing.




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