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Yes I searched and while I'm sure it's in some of the results, somewhere...I quit trying to hone in on it! lol

1. I think I've heard of a quicker throttle response set up? Not tuning or any of that, just a different bell crank or whatever is used to hasten the turn and reduce the travel.

2. Brake feel on the front...sucks. Rode my old Virgo 1100 today and it's just sooo much nicer. The Vic has both floating discs and I suspect too much pull back from the piston seals. Short of residual pressure valves or a caliper rebuild of sorts, anyone have any suggestions? The brakes work fine, the response is soft and tactical feel poor. Even bled them a squirt or two each. Still they are more responsive once you pump them up once meaning there's free play here.

If this were a car I'd feel more at home as brakes is my business. And I'm sure I can find a way to fix it; PRV's or knock-back springs, maybe polish the pistons down .001-.002. Curious to know if others note the same?

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Yes I searched and while I'm sure it's in some of the results, somewhere...I quit trying to hone in on it! lol

1. I think I've heard of a quicker throttle response set up? Not tuning or any of that, just a different bell crank or whatever is used to hasten the turn and reduce the travel.

2. Brake feel on the front...sucks. Rode my old Virgo 1100 today and it's just sooo much nicer. The Vic has both floating discs and I suspect too much pull back from the piston seals. Short of residual pressure valves or a caliper rebuild of sorts, anyone have any suggestions? The brakes work fine, the response is soft and tactical feel poor. Even bled them a squirt or two each. Still they are more responsive once you pump them up once meaning there's free play here.

If this were a car I'd feel more at home as brakes is my business. And I'm sure I can find a way to fix it; PRV's or knock-back springs, maybe polish the pistons down .001-.002. Curious to know if others note the same?
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You have experience with any of the particular cams/reels? Assume you have to spec the Victory for the right part etc. Feedback on install difficulty? *I see Polaris but no Victory noted.

Pads are not the problem. *Although yes the EBC as in the Virago are a nicer and more aggressive pad. The issue is "long pedal" as we say. A displacement issue not a bite issue. A quick pump and they feel much better!

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You have experience with any of the particular cams/reels? Assume you have to spec the Victory for the right part etc. Feedback on install difficulty? *I see Polaris but no Victory noted.

Pads are not the problem. *Although yes the EBC as in the Virago are a nicer and more aggressive pad. The issue is "long pedal" as we say. A displacement issue not a bite issue. A quick pump and they feel much better!
For the throttle, Im not sure if this will help or not but just in case...
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What SB posted may be more to what your after.

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I understand your complaint on the distance and 2nd Saddlebags recommendation of EBC pads. Im simply waiting for more wear as I have other things to spend the cash on BUT have heard the complaint and followed it with EBC pads resolving it by the more aggressive bite not requireing as much pressure. Make sure to post a folllowup on what path you went and how it worked... I havent bought my pads yet..

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You have experience with any of the particular cams/reels? Assume you have to spec the Victory for the right part etc. Feedback on install difficulty? *I see Polaris but no Victory noted.

Pads are not the problem. *Although yes the EBC as in the Virago are a nicer and more aggressive pad. The issue is "long pedal" as we say. A displacement issue not a bite issue. A quick pump and they feel much better!
I read somewhere that if you tie down the brake pedal overnight it stiffens it up. I tried it and it worked...for a morning or two.

I have an FJR and if I ride it for a while then hop on the Vic, I find myself a little startled first time I go to get on them. Combined with the rear, I can actually haul down the big Vic pretty damn quick.

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I'll call on the throttle parts from Lloydz and see what they have to say.

As for the brakes, I'm speaking only of the front brake. It's not a bite problem or a pressure problem. You have ample of both. What's 'wrong' is that the lever is soft to pull and with a quick flick can be pumped up. Meaning you have excessive travel in the system. That leads to slower reaction time and a softer pull than (I feel) is ideal.

BWoC, the Virago is short and stout making for both fast response and hard linear feel. This comes from having fixed, not floating, discs which add to pad knock back problems. Anyhow..I'm rambling here, I'm sorry. I know what the causes are, what I don't know is if anyone else has found a way to deal with it. Or that owners simply accept it and don't know. It's like driving a performance car vs your grandmothers big sedan feel!

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Don't you have the lever adjustment on your XC you could change the travel that way.

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I would say replace the brake fluid with a good synthetic like Valvoline DOT4 and get some HH-Sintered brake pads. If you don't have them already, braided steel brake lines help too.

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Don't you have the lever adjustment on your XC you could change the travel that way.
I do. And I've played with it some. But that doesn't fix a 'soft pedal' so to speak. Any position it's in can still have you pumping the lever to firm it up, it does change the distance overall to compensate for finger length.

I'll try setting it from 1 directly to 5 in a day or so when I get it back again just to see if in fact I've missed something. Thanks for the suggestions.

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I would say replace the brake fluid with a good synthetic like Valvoline DOT4 and get some HH-Sintered brake pads. If you don't have them already, braided steel brake lines help too.
With only some 8k on it here in dry AZ the fluid won't have much moisture in it. And I bled it a couple times anyhow looking for any air.

Pad material won't change a soft pedal feel (lever) only make for improved bite once applied. I'll probably do the EBC stuff like is on the Virago however in due time.

The bike comes with SS hoses on it already. A good thought though as rubber hoses can expand under pressure.

As I stated above; it's not a lack of braking. It's a lack of tactical feel and response. Until you pump it one time to firm it up. You'd have to ride these two side by side or maybe come from a sport bike/racing bacground to get what I'm saying. Maybe I'm the only one or others just find it acceptable, I dunno. I'd describe it as a numb feeling. It was one of the comments I made on my first test ride on a totally different XCT at another dealer in fact so it's not just this bike.

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