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post #1 of 53 (permalink) Old 04-14-2011, 08:33 PM Thread Starter
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I am another of the group of new riders shopping for bikes. I've got some great interaction with both Harley Dealers as well as the Victory dealerships. The Harley dealer is near where I live but the Victory dealer is near our beach place so that's about an even balance.

Both dealers have been super aggressive on pricing so that I can buy a blue XC without the trunk for the same price I can buy a RG Custom in the Sedona Orange. Needless to say, in order to do this the HD dealer had to be a bit more aggressive than they would be with someone else who didn't already have #'s in hand for their competition.

Since I won't have my MSF until the end of the month, I have not yet had the chance to ride either bike so this is more of a "paper" analysis at this point.

Everyone says that the RGC will hold it's value better (+1 Harley). The XC simply "looks better" in that it is more modern and not the "same-ole, same-ole"(+1 Vic). Even so far...

The '11 XC has the 106 engine and the newer transmission. The RGC has the 96 engine (+1 Vic)

But the RGC can be upgraded to a 103 engine (even) which also has a "keyless start" similar to my BMW (+1 HD). They market this as a "security feature" as it also prevents anyone from being able to drive off with your bike without the key within 6 feet (+1 HD). The other "feature" you get with the power pak is the ABS brakes (+1 HD) for an extra $1,500 (Discounted) which makes the PowerPak is the same price as the trunk option for the XC (+1 Vic). Cruise control is an additional $300 option on the HD but included on the XC (+.25 Vic as Cruise is not really a feature I care much about and could always be added later)

Yes, a trunk can also be added to the RGC but it doesn't come with the intercom or the rear-seat audio controls in the RGC and the cost increases would bring the RG Ultra into the picture instead. Then the bike goes from being mostly a "lowered custom" to more of an old daddy tour bike (taller with balance issues) which I (don't think) I really want since 95% of my riding will be solo (wife works in hospital so even getting this bike is not something she is looking forward too and she will likely not ride other than a trip around the neighborhood).

Victory has 3.99% financing and 5 year warranty for peanuts (+1 Vic). Not certain there are ANY financing deals on the HD much less extended warranties available. I generally don't buy extended warranties but would consider one on this bike.

My plans are to ride both after the MSF and make a decision. Based on what I have read so far, I expect that the XC will handle better 99% of the time (due to a lower center of gravity) but that the RGC will handle better in that 1% of critical time that may be the only time that matters (ABS saving my life due to not locking up the wheels) being a new rider.

An extra $1,500 for the ABS/Keyless & 103 engine seems like a no brainer but I think I prefer the XC instead but may regret not getting the ABS while I have the chance. I'd be interested in what others who may have recently had the same decisions have done and why.

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Study the resale values, and you will find that the great resale of HD is a myth. With the exception of the SE line HD has a higher percentage of loss model to model

Niether the 103 or the 110 make the same level of rear tire power that the 106 makes

Victory does not have to turn to bandaids such as cutting cyl's at idle to prevent overheating

Replacing a belt on the HD pays 5 hours labor, and requires removal of the outer primary, flywheel, clutch, and ineer primary

Vic pays around 2 hours, and requires moving the mufflers, and front belt cover

Vic has one oil, HD has three, and the HD has prolly the dumbest placement of an oil filter EVER

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Wow, no one can say you've made a snap decision on this one.

Both are nice bikes, but since I just bought the Cross Country, I may be partial. I'd say it will come down to which one you feel more comfortable on. I'm 6'4" and there's just no comparison for me concerning room on the Victory. Most people think of Harley as being a "Big" bike, but I always feel sort of crunched up on one. As for the brakes, I've owned a number of motorcycles and never had one with anti-lock brakes, so I guess you don't miss what you've never had. Other than that, all I can add is that the Cross Country is comfortable to ride, handles well and has good power - And I chose one over a H-D.

visionjohnny posted a good video on my introduction thread - it may help. Not sure I added it correctly, but here it is...

https://www.victoryforums.com/showthread.php?t=4979

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Both are nice bikes. That being said I don't think you will have any questions after a extended test ride

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I suggest before going any farther to test ride each. I do not mean a 20 mile ride. If renting is available rent each for at least a day. Tell them if ya like it your buying it. They will or I have always had the rent $$ taken from the price.
A short ride does not qualify as a test on a new to you bike, not for me anyway. This will give ya time to get the feel of each, the pros and cons that You like or dislike.

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I suggest before going any farther to test ride each. I do not mean a 20 mile ride. If renting is available rent each for at least a day. Tell them if ya like it your buying it. They will or I have always had the rent $$ taken from the price.
A short ride does not qualify as a test on a new to you bike, not for me anyway. This will give ya time to get the feel of each, the pros and cons that You like or dislike.
Renting is good advice. For a couple of years we might have had more rental miles than miles on our own bikes. We live near Chicago and spent a lot of time (months) flying to warmer places and renting various HD models from Eaglerider. Having said that.........I love my XR and money played no role in the decision.

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Yep, test rides are in the future after May 1st (MSF Class). I am "average" height and weight (5'10" & 200lbs) for a 48 year old fart so either bike seems to fit me well so far. The Vic is a longer bike so one would normally think that would make it harder to manipulate for a newbie but you can tell simply by sitting on them in the showroom that the Harley has a higher center of gravity and the seat itself is 1.5" higher than the one on the XC so I suspect that the Vic will be an easier ride for a guy like myself. I have also seen the videos of turning in a parking space for the XC. A buddy of mine already owns a Vision but I don't think he has ever riden a Harley so he can't really compare the rides (yet). Yes, I do plan on dragging his arse along for most of these demos as that will give me a "seasoned" (read older fart) opinion in addition to mine and might be the first time he rides a Harley (I will caution this forum that he has always wanted a Screaming Eagle so there is a minimal risk that he could decide to "go over tot he dark side" even while I am buying a XC)

I've already consumed the online videos and am a member of about 6 other online biker forums (Victory and Harley). The video is interesting but may not apply to the newer HD engines as HD has addressed many of the issues the older engines had and anything I bought would be under warranty for the next 5 years after which I could buy a new toy if I wanted so the warranty/service issues are cancelled by buying new. I have decided that I will not buy anything older than a '09 Harley should I decide to reconsider used but will go back to an '06 Victory in that same process.
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Just to enlighten you a tad here. KevinX is widely considered in the Victory Community as the authority on Victory motorcyles. On top of that he is a great all around mechanic including HD.

As Kevin stated the 106 puts down a lot of horsepower and if thats not enough you can always upgrade to a Lloydz engine kit. If I'm not mistaken you can upgrade to a 116CI.

Also I do believe that the upgrades HP dollar against HP dollar is less expensive for the Victory.

On top of that the Lloydz engine upgrades are just as bullet proof as the stock engine.
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I am "average" height and weight (5'10" & 200lbs) for a 48 year old fart so either bike seems to fit me well so far.
So you're a 48 year old fart - what does that make me at 74?!? Been riding 59 years and hundreds of thousands of miles, so I think I may have some sage advice for a newby rider. Both bikes might be a handful for a first timer. The fact that you are fixated on ABS tells me of your uncertainty. If I were you, I'd buy a lighter used bike and get a lot of experience under your belt. Better to crash that than almost $20 grand and 800 pounds of new, fancy bike. Practice over and over the braking skills you will learn in the rider course, then decide if you want ABS. A skilled rider can stop in less distance, did you know that? I passed on the extended warranty cuz Vics are too damn dependable to blow money on one. Why do you think it was so cheap? You'll spend a ton more $$$ getting a Harley to come anywhere near XC standards. The first time you hit a bump on that Harley with its 3" of rear suspension travel and you compress a few vertebrae, you'll wish you got the XC with almost 5" of travel. And the list goes on. But first, crawl before you run child.

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well all good information and true but I might add I just got my xc and I did look hard at the hd and xc demoed them over few times til wife got tired and said well just buy it, I think you would like either bike and hd have improved but the tour pack on the xc comes of 13 seconds and leaves a clean bike the hd quick release leaves rails and is a pai that coming from hd riders. My wife I didn't think she would ride as much as she does women you never know with xc I have both tourer and in 13 second I have a cruiser bagger and they look both good with or without tour pac almost like 2 different bikes.I think the vics handle better .

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