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Just put a set of flat black contrast cut speaker grills on my XC. I LOVE them! They fit tight and snap on from the front using the stock mounting points. They sound the same (or maybe better) as the stock grill too.

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Interesting looking. They seem expensive though for what they are. $289 is a lot of money for a couple of pieces of machined aluminum.




I'd take the flat black version if they were more affordable.

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CNC machining isn't cheap.... Look how much other contrast cut stuff costs (exhaust tips, shifter levers, etc)
They look like they cost a lot though



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Interesting looking. They seem expensive though for what they are. $289 is a lot of money
I'd take the flat black version if they were more affordable.

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Yes I do agree with you about the cost it does "seem" expensive until you ad up the cost of what it take to make the part. The raw aluminum isn't costly at all (about $20) but what is expensive is what it cost to machine it. It take 1.25 hours to machine in a $150/ hour machine then you still have to sandblast and powder coat then put it back in the $150/hour machine for 10min and contrast cut them and don't forget about uncle Sam he wants his 40%. We could start shipping everything over seas and we could offer a $99 grill but I won't I believe that that is what is wrong in the en port system in this country.
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Just going by the fact that I've seen a lot of other complex cut/machined billet pieces for a lot less over time in the motorcycle and snowmobile accessory fields. Perhaps those other peoples' machines aren't running 100% of the time so the cost to use them isn't $150/hr lost profit.

In any event, regardless of what it actually cost you to make it, $289 is more than I'd spend for two pieces of machined aluminum as speaker grills, which is all that really matters to me. If you can sell a ton of them at that price then good for you! Must be doing something right.

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I.'m sorry that you (and others) feel that way but the truth is that we aren't in a HD market we have to absorb our R&D cost in the 50 sets that we may sell in the next 2 years. If we were able to sell 1000 a year we could sell them for $150 but we can't we are only a 2 person shop and the only way we can compete is to offer superior products that don't exist anywhere else. There is a reason that we are the only manufacturer to make speaker grills they were incredibly hard to design, complex and time consuming to machine, and hard to market at the price point. I believe that we will always be criticized for our price points because we tackle the projects that no one else wants to do or is able to dO
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I.'m sorry that you (and others) feel that way but the truth is that we aren't in a HD market we have to absorb our R&D cost in the 50 sets that we may sell in the next 2 years. If we were able to sell 1000 a year we could sell them for $150 but we can't we are only a 2 person shop and the only way we can compete is to offer superior products that don't exist anywhere else. There is a reason that we are the only manufacturer to make speaker grills they were incredibly hard to design, complex and time consuming to machine, and hard to market at the price point. I believe that we will always be criticized for our price points because we tackle the projects that no one else wants to do or is able to dO
I'm not into HD stuff either so that's not my point of reference. I've dealt a lot with aftermarket things for Honda cycles (VTX mainly, with some CBR) and various snowmobiles. None of those are HD volume things either.

I'm not being critical of your products, just saying that $289 is a lot of money to replace a cosmetic speaker grill, in my opinion. Don't be offended, I'm just one person with an opinion and probably not in your target audience. Like I said, if the pricing model is working for you then good job. I'm just not a likely customer for this piece. There are a lot of other types of aftermarket parts I would not spend the $$ for either because they are above my cost-to-value threshold. Kewlmetal had some beautiful sculpted chrome exhaust tips for V&H Big Shots but they weren't worth $300 to me. Same reason I'd never drop thousands on a big front wheel like other people do. To each their own.

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My thoughts as well overpriced for sure.

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The product isn't over priced it may be more than you would want to spend on this product but not over priced. If it were a grill that I could cut simply from one side with no contour it would be a lot cheaper. I value my time and I'm not going to give it away. Do you? I am willing to under value my time to be competitive in a market that is flooded with Chinese crap. Anyone in the machining field can tell you how hard it is to keep there job from going overseas. By saying that this product is over priced you are telling me that my time isn't worth the dollar amount that I put on it. I'm sure that I make less money than 90% of the people that by my product.
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The product isn't over priced it may be more than you would want to spend on this product but not over priced. If it were a grill that I could cut simply from one side with no contour it would be a lot cheaper. I value my time and I'm not going to give it away. Do you? I am willing to under value my time to be competitive in a market that is flooded with Chinese crap. Anyone in the machining field can tell you how hard it is to keep there job from going overseas. By saying that this product is over priced you are telling me that my time isn't worth the dollar amount that I put on it. I'm sure that I make less money than 90% of the people that by my product.
The judgement of 'overpriced' is what the market will bear in a free market economy. If you're selling the volume of parts you want to sell at a profit that pleases you then you are probably within your sweet spot. If you wanted more sales you could lower your price. If you wanted things to be more exclusive or make more profit per part or if you had too much work to handle you could raise the price. You're the seller and you can adjust to the market however you see fit. I'm just a single sample of the market giving you feedback. :-)

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