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How many people here run this setup:

Cross bike/hardball
Lloydz hi flow filter
Lloydz timing wheel at *4 degrees
PCV
O2 sensors unplugged
any ANY slip on exhaust

Seems like a good combo. I want to know how it works and people's opinions.

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My Sig shows HP/TQ #s below. The PCV requires wide band O2 sensors so don't plan on disconnecting them. The set up I had is only as good as it is because of the Professional that Dyno tuned it after he installed my cams. End result besides 30Hp and similar tq gains? Increase in rpm + a tuned and cooler running motor.

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The Power Commander itself requires no O2 sensors (and calls for disconnecting the stock ones in the install). You do need wide band for Auto Tune but I don't really want to go that route if I can avoid it.

The Auto Tune seems fairly inconvenient to me. I'd rather not touch up numbers, ride, test, etc. If they made it with a wider memory then great. If you could choose a target air/fuel ratio and just plug it up and drive off then I would. I'm not interested in installing something then messing with it for awhile to get it right myself.

Of course, I may not have a choice........

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Your making the AT sound alot harder than it is. If you set the AT to the desired afr then yes your bike will run at the set afr. But for your map it does require you to ride the bike at varying throttle positions then come home and hook your CP up and accept trims and your done. There is a ridiculous amount of misinformation on the internet and this site in general about the AT ...

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I have the exact setup you mentioned (with dyno) and couldn't be happier with the performance. I ended up with nearly 95HP and 110 ft Lb. with open pipes (no baffle). I may change to a baffled (or and a Thrush glasspack mod) at some point as it's a bit too loud. It also may add a bit of torque back.
I read and read what others had done and this seemed like the most liked setup. I see why it's so well liked.

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Auto tune sounds as tedious as I've read it to be. Why add extra steps? Set it up one time and let it roll. It's a good idea and I think later generations of it will be awesome. The current one holds little appeal to me personally. When we already have the technology to make a better setup, then that's what I want. I don't want one I instal, then "tune" my "auto tune." Doesn't sound that handy to me. Sure it can correct over time for your changes but "auto" leads me to believe I don't have to keep messing with it. It's more like a "tedious setup tune" than "auto tune." Why do I have to keep accepting map and checking it? If it was "auto" I should set it up once and forget it.

It's just me but I'm not impressed. A year or two from now when the next gen "auto tunes" come out then I'll check back into them. Of course I may not have a choice to do literally no map suport for the Victories, but I'm trying to avoid it.

I'd be interested in a tuned map like the above poster has. I just can't use a map for unbaffled pies. The tables would be way too different. Same setup with any slip on I'd take.

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How many people here run this setup:

Cross bike/hardball /2010 Cross Roads
Lloydz hi flow filter [B]/Victory high flow AF
Lloydz timing wheel at *4 degrees /mine's set at 7degrees
PCV [B/Lloydz VFCIII

O2 sensors unplugged /completely removed, holes plugged
any ANY slip on exhaust /OEMs with drilled baffles

Seems like a good combo. I want to know how it works and people's opinions.
Also added Lloydz IAV. Does all that count? It works for me.

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Your making the AT sound alot harder than it is. If you set the AT to the desired afr then yes your bike will run at the set afr. But for your map it does require you to ride the bike at varying throttle positions then come home and hook your CP up and accept trims and your done. There is a ridiculous amount of misinformation on the internet and this site in general about the AT ...
Without a dyno, how do you know the ideal afr's at different loads,and RPM's, each cylinder.......


Seems like no auto tune, and a dyno tune instead would be much better.

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Well, there is no reputable dyno tuner for quite a distance (at least 60+ miles). I'd rather use a reputable setup like that and then just use another person's PC map until I can pick a tuner.

But all the maps I find are for all the wrong combinations.

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2008 Yamaha Warrior -Churchkey intake, V&H Bigshots
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I have everything you listed with the Ness Big Honkers. Installed the filter and PCV last month but have only had it out a couple of times due to extreme cold and snow here in the Northeast. I did get out for a hour or so on Saturday and it runs great. Lots of power thru out and no popping or backfiring whatsoever. I downloaded the map from PC website it is M19-009-007. I plan to have it dyno'd at Myrtle Beach in May but for now it actually runs pretty good.

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