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I found some kicker speakers on Amazon.com.
The ad says they sound significantly better. Do they?
Do I need an amp as well or are they plug and play?

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Plug and play for the 5.25" but if you can afford an amp; the best way to go is with a 6.5" w/adapter. Biketronics, Polk, and Alpine come to mind that I've read about people using besides the Kickers. Make sure to get the 4 ohm; especially if you aren't getting an amp.
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I put a set in my 2011 XC Saturday. I don't really like them and plan to take them out. The sound quality is fine, but i seem to have lost volume. Not an issue with my 3/4 helmet but will be with my full face which I use when it gets cold.

I will have set for sale, maybe i hour of use.

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I do not have any experience with the particular setup you are asking about but I have been a car audio enthusiast for 30+ years and do all my own work. In general aftermarket speakers are designed to handle more power than OEM. The tradeoff is that they are less efficient than the OEM and therefore require a little more power to make the same amount of sound (there are a few exceptions). Adding an amp is usually recommended. More power equals more sound. I donít know how you would go about adding an amp in the fairing, but someone will figure that out and hopefully share with us.

Also, the comment about putting a larger speaker in the factory holeÖ larger speakers also equals more sound. And yes, this can probably be done with some cutting, grinding, and fabrication. From my preliminary evaluation this would not be a project for a novice.

I would love to have the time and money to install a trick high end system on my XC. But alas, at this point itís difficult finding time to ride.
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I put a set in my 2011 XC Saturday. I don't really like them and plan to take them out. The sound quality is fine, but i seem to have lost volume. Not an issue with my 3/4 helmet but will be with my full face which I use when it gets cold.

I will have set for sale, maybe i hour of use.
Sounds like you need an amp Greg. Are your Kicker's 4 ohm? Mine are 2 ohm and still work fine but I'm changing them out to the Biketronics 6.5" with adapter ring. It's a straight plug and play deal but the plastic sound baffle no longer fits. Tripntx and KevinX (Kevin was first of course) did this mod and my set is waiting for me to have time to mess with it. Tripntx found a set of baffles that he put a Quarter-sized hole in to let the the subwoofers move better. Links posted below. I too need an amp but an not sure which one to get yet. I'm leaning toward one of the Biketronics amps. Biketronics has a very good reputation and they stand behind their products. On the other hand if the Alpine works just a well; I certainly don't mind saving some cash.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Alpine+-+180W+4-Channel+Mini+Amplifier/9442187.p?id=1218112724899&skuId=9442187&cmp=RMX&r ef=06&loc=01&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=9442187

http://www.biketronics.com/products/Titan-II-6.5%22-upgrade.html

http://www.biketronics.com/products/BT-454--%252d--75W-RMS-%7B47%7D-Channel.html

http://www.biketronics.com/products/Amp-%26-Big-Speaker-Package.html

Baffles for the larger speakers: http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...88&FTR=260-788
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Thanks TJ. I wonder why they didn't work...

I found some good instructions on how to hook up the Alpine KTP - 445 on another forum. Wish I could post the link.

Edit: Yours didn't work either. How freakin' weird!

Oh well, for those looking, just got to biketronics.com and look up the BT471 speaker upgrade and the BT454 amp if you're so inclined.

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Well, I can post a copy and credit it to cook06vegas. This would be a good rainy day project because it will take some time and patience along with some soldering skills.


The Alpine KTP 445 is a great little amp. It's perfect for the Vision! It's 45 watts x 4 channels @ 4 ohms. You will need better speakers too.

I thought I would share the info and steps I took to hook up this amp or Power Pack as Alpine calls it. The KTP 445 is meant to be plugged inline with any "newer" Alpine head unit. To use it on anything else requires a little work. Here's what wires you will use, what you won't and what goes where:


Alpine KTP 445-


12V+ Constant - Yellow

Ground - Black
Remote - Blue/White
Left Front Speaker Positive - White
Left Front Speaker Negative - White/Black
Right Front Speaker Positive - Gray
Right Front Speaker Negative - Gray/Black
Left Rear Speaker Positive - Green
Left Rear Speaker Negative - Green/Black
Right Rear Speaker Positive - Violet
Right Rear Speaker Negative - Violet/Black

The speaker wires are on BOTH sides of the amp, input and output!


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The male connector is on the input side and all you will need is the speaker wires. Just connect these to the bike. All you need is the speaker wires listed above. Cut the rest off. ( See picture.)


The female connector is the input side for the power and ground. It's the output side for the speakers. You will not use the wires below, cut them off.

Blue
Orange
Yellow/Blue
Pink
Red

VISION- Speaker wires located under console. The big plug coming out of the radio. -


Left Front Speaker Positive - Brown/Red

Left Front Speaker Negative - Brown/Black
Right Front Speaker Positive - Gray/Red
Right Front Speaker Negative - Gray/White
Left Rear Speaker Positive - Orange/Red
Left Rear Speaker Negative - Orange/Black
Right Rear Speaker Positive - Pink/Red
Right Rear Speaker Negative - Pink/Black

*** I have to give Kevin T. credit for finding and sharing the Alpine wire info with me. THANKS!***


I decided to mount the amp on top of the left gas tank. Someone else had done this before. The other option would be In a saddle bag. I think the top of the tank will be a fairly dry spot and it will allow the amp to run cooler. If you put it in the bag, you will need way more wire, it might get to warm and it will take up some space. This is on a "Street" if you have the Tour pack or trunk it could go in the hole.


I ran the 12V+ Constant (Yellow) wire right from the battery to the amp. It runs up the front of the gas left gas tank to the amp. I hooked he black ground wire to a bracket and the switched (blue/white) wire to a unused connector. See pictures. I soldered everything and used heat shrink.


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Sounds like you need an amp Greg. Are your Kicker's 4 ohm? Mine are 2 ohm and still work fine but I'm changing them out to the Biketronics 6.5" with adapter ring. It's a straight plug and play deal but the plastic sound baffle no longer fits. Tripntx and KevinX (Kevin was first of course) did this mod and my set is waiting for me to have time to mess with it. Tripntx found a set of baffles that he put a Quarter-sized hole in to let the the subwoofers move better. Links posted below. I too need an amp but an not sure which one to get yet. I'm leaning toward one of the Biketronics amps. Biketronics has a very good reputation and they stand behind their products. On the other hand if the Alpine works just a well; I certainly don't mind saving some cash.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Alpine+-+180W+4-Channel+Mini+Amplifier/9442187.p?id=1218112724899&skuId=9442187&cmp=RMX&r ef=06&loc=01&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=9442187

http://www.biketronics.com/products/Titan-II-6.5%22-upgrade.html

http://www.biketronics.com/products/BT-454--%252d--75W-RMS-%7B47%7D-Channel.html

http://www.biketronics.com/products/Amp-%26-Big-Speaker-Package.html

Baffles for the larger speakers: http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...88&FTR=260-788
Bbob, I think you are correct. I took them off, stock is actually super. Not in to amps, etc.

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Anybody know if speakers are covered under warranty... the left rear is blown.

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Anybody know if speakers are covered under warranty... the left rear is blown.
If not, let me know, I have a couple extra I pulled out when I put in my Kickers...

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