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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 09-26-2011, 10:29 AM Thread Starter
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Default Cee Baily vs Factory hard lowers

Actually I will compare 5 lowers. I posted this on the other forun as well.

Over the last 8 months or so, my bike has spent many many weeks at Cee Baileys while they worked on different windshields and lowers for the XC (I travel a lot, and live close to their shop). Over the last 12 months I have owned the XC I find I love the bike and have hated the buffeting.

I have tried the Victory fork mounted deflectors, the Victory soft closeouts, the Baker Wings, Several of CBs hard lowers, and yesterday installed the new Victory hard lowers. I have tried them with the new CB Cee Silencer, the Cee Dragon, the factory 10Ē tall and the CB 9Ē shields. I am 5í9Ē, and wear a ĺ helmet.

First of all, an observation about windshields. With all the lowers, I found they work better with a see thru (vs see over) shield. Apparently Victory found the same, as the new Tour has (for most) a see thru shield as well.

For me, the Victory fork deflectors didnít do much, maybe a 2-3 on a scale of 1-10. Cost: $250 or so

The soft closeouts work pretty well, but for me were a little cheesy on such a nice bike. Plus, they hard to put on for someone like me. Hard to rate because of this but a 6-7 for effectiveness. Cost $100

The Baker Wings were OK, but didnít really fit well. Seemed like they were using existing parts, not really made for the XC. Also, I didnít really like the look, although they work super on my Gold Wing (go figure). I would rate them maybe a 4-5 .Cost $225

For me, the CB hard lowers work the best of these four. Absolutely no buffeting with the winter version and a tall shield. I used this combo on a 900 mile 2 day ride and loved it. There are different sizes and for summer/winter, and they have some adjustability. I had no issue with heat, but some do. I originally rated these a 9, but now would say an 8. Biggest issue is lack of vents. Cost $280.

After trying so hard to fix the buffeting I had to try the new factory hard lowers. For me, they are a 10 due to the adjustability of both the vents and the air wings.With everything closed it reminds me of my Gold Wing (with way more character). I have not yet had an opportunity to try them in hot weather (SoCal not cooperating) but the magazine road tests I have read seem to indicate they are fine with temps into the mid 90s. Opening the vents on the freeway sure resulted in lots of air but NO buffeting.Whatís also nice is this can be done while riding. I also like the two compartments, great for my garage door opener. Looks are a subjective thing. I first saw these in person on a white XC and they looked almost too big. On my black bike they donít seem as big, but that may be just because itís mine.

Cost?..well this is the problem. They retail for about $1500 (the lowers, round bars and air wings), plus tax if you get them locally. I got mine for $1200 from Honda Toledo (free shipping), but they are still many times the cost of all the alternatives. I think anyone buying a new XC would be crazy not to get the Tour.

My plan now is see if Joe at CB can make me a smaller shield with the Gold Wing vent.

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Default $1,500, vs $280.00 it was an easy decision

for me. Gonna stay with the cee bailieys until someones makes something for the forged bars.

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Paid the money and went factory lowers. It is the best upgrade I've made to the bike.

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for me. Gonna stay with the cee bailieys until someones makes something for the forged bars.
My sentiments as well. I really like the look of the forged bars.

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...Over the last 8 months or so, my bike has spent many many weeks at Cee Baileys while they worked on different windshields and lowers for the XC (I travel a lot, and live close to their shop). Over the last 12 months I have owned the XC I find I love the bike and have hated the buffeting.

I have tried the Victory fork mounted deflectors, the Victory soft closeouts, the Baker Wings, Several of CBs hard lowers, and yesterday installed the new Victory hard lowers. I have tried them with the new CB Cee Silencer, the Cee Dragon, the factory 10” tall and the CB 9” shields. I am 5’9”, and wear a ĺ helmet....
So to put another spin on value, based on your ratings and costs, one would end up paying these amounts for each percent of satisfaction (in order from cheapest to most expensive):

Soft Closeouts: $1.54/percent of satisfaction
CB lowers: $3.29/percent of satisfaction
Baker Wings: $5.00/percent of satisfaction
Vic Lowers: $10.00/percent of satisfaction
Vic Hard Dflctrs: $12.00/percent of satisfaction

So the cheapest thrill are the soft lowers, with the CB lowers coming in second when considering value. This was based on gregbenner's ratings.

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So to put another spin on value, based on your ratings and costs, one would end up paying these amounts for each percent of satisfaction (in order from cheapest to most expensive):

Soft Closeouts: $1.54/percent of satisfaction
CB lowers: $3.29/percent of satisfaction
Baker Wings: $5.00/percent of satisfaction
Vic Lowers: $10.00/percent of satisfaction
Vic Hard Dflctrs: $12.00/percent of satisfaction

So the cheapest thrill are the soft lowers, with the CB lowers coming in second when considering value. This was based on gregbenner's ratings.
I'm a CPA, and admit I never thought of exactly that way

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Way to go CR! You nailed it!

I think I found a good compromise out here in the belly of the beast where it can get to 120 during the day.

Vic fairing winglets and fork lowers. I have to see how difficult it is to take the factory lowers off and on before I decide whether to leave the tube crash bars on during the hot months. It might be better to just leave them attached to the tube bars and pull them as a set.

Maybe you can shine some light on that one Greg...
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Way to go CR! You nailed it!

I think I found a good compromise out here in the belly of the beast where it can get to 120 during the day.

Vic fairing winglets and fork lowers. I have to see how difficult it is to take the factory lowers off and on before I decide whether to leave the tube crash bars on during the hot months. It might be better to just leave them attached to the tube bars and pull them as a set.

Maybe you can shine some light on that one Greg...
I'm not looking at my bike (at airport currently) but I'm pretty sure you could pull the entire right side (bar and lowers). If you have the iPod connector on the left, you'll need to pull the outer section of the left lower first. Not hard, obviously. Also, you'd have to reroute the iPod wiring to the saddlebag again, so remove the seat, remove the saddlebag, raise the tank, route the audio cable, reattach the iPod connector through the saddle bag and put everything back together.

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Jagular: I'm going to leave the iPod cord in the right saddlebag.

While at the Las Vegas Bikefest this weekend there was a vendor selling "Magic Mat's". Basically they adhere to many surfaces and then you can stick just about anything to it. I used one in the saddlebag to put my iTouch on it and it holds great. Keeps the iTouch out of the way. It would be perfect for the factory lowers if you keep an iPod in the glove box. It'll hold it in place and on the off chance the glove box pops open; the iPod will still be kept in place. I bet you could even mount it to the inside top of the glove box. I picked up a second one to hold a tire pressure receiver unit on the tank or maybe the inside of the windshield.

If you go to Amazon and do a search for "Magic Mat Black" it should bring them up. I liked the black best between it and the clear. There's a 3 pack for $18 or one for $6.
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Bob, I don't think it would be that difficult to the factory hard lowers on and off, more awkward, if that makes any sense. Just a couple bolts. I think it would be very easy to take off, harder to put on. However, I don't have the iPod jack since I use the XM.

Good idea on the magic matte, btw.

Have you tried your factory lowers in some 100+ weather yet? If so, how do they work?

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