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I started a tread 2 weeks ago concerning the blacked out version of the XC. I really do prefer that look but now that I'm aware that it does not have all of the niceties that the chromed version has, I'm thinking about adding some of them back onto the bike. I most certainly will add a radio and cruise control. What's you opinion on ABS brakes? I've never owned a bike with ABS brakes. Those who have had both, is it that much of a safety issue not to have them?
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If you have been trained without ABS you know how to brake. ABS is ok until you have to have it worked on then it gets expensive. I have a bike with and a bike without. I really do not like the feeling of hitting it hard to start to slide and it does not, then the pumping starts and you hope like hell the brakes stop you. Old school brakes is the way I was taught. You hit let off and pump them. ABS does not like you to do that. Steady pressure till you stop. Added cost to buy and up keep. The pads do not last no longer. Pros and cons, pro nice in the rain less sliding to a stop. con is cost when you have to have it worked on. Just my opinion.

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I started a tread 2 weeks ago concerning the blacked out version of the XC. I really do prefer that look but now that I'm aware that it does not have all of the niceties that the chromed version has, I'm thinking about adding some of them back onto the bike. I most certainly will add a radio and cruise control. What's you opinion on ABS brakes? I've never owned a bike with ABS brakes. Those who have had both, is it that much of a safety issue not to have them?
Yes, it can be a very big safety issue not to have them.

I've been riding for nearly 4 decades, most of which has been without the aid of ABS. And for most of those years I've done just fine without it.

One year I was tooling down the road and a bus stopped suddenly for no apparent reason. Not wanting to be rear ended, I moved onto the shoulder and applied the brakes. There was still a fine silt on the shoulder and the front immediately skidded. I released them as quickly as I could and tried to save it, but the bike flopped around and spit me off just before it planted itself up the bus' butt.

Had I been on my other bike that had ABS, it would have been a drama free event. Instead, it was $5k or repairs to the bike and some points on my license for failure to control.

If it is an option, I'd highly recommend it. You wont even notice they exist unless you are hard on the binders in a panic situation. And we humans can act peculiar when we panic. Computers don't get ruffled, they just do their thing...




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This isn't the first thread I have read where the OP is considering buying the bike with the paint he likes while considering adding mods that are packaged on bikes he does not like.

I have done mods to motorcycles for S&G so I can understand doing it the way you want to but...
Assuming that the options you want are packaged in a factory model, you might consider buying that model regardless of color, preferably a new leftover so you get a savings on the front end for a machine that is the same as a current model year except for paint, and then have it painted and trimmed to whatever scheme you want. It's a math problem. How much is doing it the one way versus the other? Used to be paint was cheaper but times change and often the payoff is in doing it the way you want to.

As far as ABS goes, if it did not come on the motorcycle then retrofitting it, while possible, is at the far end of what is worth doing. Much expense, multiple systems involved and the likelihood of a painless commissioning is slim.

OTOH there is a vocal group of riders who prosthelytize ABS like it's the second coming and that it is a game changer. It came on my bike so I have it. If it didn't come on my bike I would have the bike without it. Smart people tell me that it's a resale adder but I ain't selling so no benefit there. I don't doubt that properties inherent in ABS could save my life in specific conditions. The list of things that land in the "save my life in specific conditions" category is long and most of them include the words "and don't ride motorcycles".

Chew your food twenty times and don't ride motorcycles.
Crack your knuckles and you'll get arthritis and don't ride motorcycles.

ABS is in the "but if you do" subcategory.

Don't ride motorcycles but if you do ride motorcycles, ride motorcycles with ABS.

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One word answer here , NO .

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I also go into the "No." crowd.

Its just another thing to break. Also, I really hate the sensitivity of the Victory ABS. Bumpy roads are common here. I feel the ABS unnecessarily kick on a bunch. I do not like it.

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Age old question in the MC biz but -
Absolutely YES. Would not even consider a MC without ABS, I don't care it costs more $ It's worth it. *Cheaper than a visit to the emergency room. *41 years and , 820,000+ MC miles ridden. 12 years a MC instructor, all without an accident yet I ride ATGATT. Yes I know how to use my brakes but I am not better than the ABS is and can't control my fellow drivers on the road or the damn deer in my area. Used my ABS the first week I got my XCT coming home when a deer jumped out in front of me. Revolvers over automags also... Oh, thats a different argument... LOL...

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If it is an option, I'd highly recommend it. You wont even notice they exist unless you are hard on the binders in a panic situation. And we humans can act peculiar when we panic. Computers don't get ruffled, they just do their thing...


I too would recommend it if it is an option, Had it on my Road Glide, and traveling I-285 in Atlanta, I was glad to have it on more than one occasion.

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IMO...I think ABS is more beneficial to a unexperience rider. Having said that I have about 10 years of riding under my belt (which is nothing compared to many of the guys on this forum) and would only buy a bike that has ABS. It's potentially saved my bacon a couple times over the past few years.

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As far as I know if your bike doesn't come with ABS you can not add it later.

More riders crash cause we have been trained in a breaking situation put your foot on the break to stop. On motorcycle you have to use the front break first. Putting your foot on the break first will lock up your rear wheel you'll go into a slid and crash.
Always ride with two fingers on the front break lever it will add twenty seconds or more to your life.
If you go on a group ride watch the guy in front of you if he always use the rear break stay a way from him

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