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Default Height (or Length) of Stock Oil Filter?

It's been a while since I used a Victory brand oil filter. If anyone has one on the shelf, could I get a measurement? I'm interested in the length or height (depending on your point of view) of the stocker, as shown in the attached view of a K&N filter (which filters I've been using for the last three or four oil changes). The K&N is about 3.52", as shown in the pic, minus the built-in nut that K&Ns have.

Working on a potential (or more likely soon-to-be-abandoned) project, and I'm interested in potential swingarm clearance issues.

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Hmm, you wouldn't be working on an adapter to allow the use of more common and dirt cheap car filters would you?

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I know you asked for stock oil filter but was in garage and checked my Wix just so you could have more information.
Came up with 3.5"
Am thinking where the filter will be close to the swing arm would not pivot down ward un less you un hooked the shock or raised the bike off the ground.
To me if you hit a pot hole or bump the swing arm will pivot up ward not down. As long as the tire is on the ground the swing arm can't move down ward.
You could plug the holes in the adapter put a spare filter in bag with wrench and take a ride to see. I checked the parts book and we have the same swing arm.
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Hmm, you wouldn't be working on an adapter to allow the use of more common and dirt cheap car filters would you?
Sorry, nope.

I was planning on putting an "oil filter sandwich" back there, in between the engine and the oil filter. See the end of this thread -- https://www.victoryforums.com/showthread.php?t=85729 -- which also references another thread.

In fact, I already bought the sandwich and some other parts. Yesterday, I crawled under the bike, and closely examined things. As the bike sits on the floor (in a Wheeldock chock -- see http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcyc...eldock-review/ ), there is clearance for the sandwich + filter. The sandwich I bought is 1.03" wide, plus the width of a partially compressed O-ring.

That's OK as I was looking at the bike, but it appears that the swingarm will get perilously close to the end of the filter if the bike gets airborne, i.e., if the shock is extended downward much. I don't have a bike lift of any sort, so I can't tell how much closer. I was hoping that the Vic filter might be at least 1/2" (or more) shorter, in which case my project might still be on track.

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I know you asked for stock oil filter but was in garage and checked my Wix just so you could have more information.
Came up with 3.5"
Am thinking where the filter will be close to the swing arm would not pivot down ward un less you un hooked the shock or raised the bike off the ground.
To me if you hit a pot hole or bump the swing arm will pivot up ward not down. As long as the tire is on the ground the swing arm can't move down ward.
You could plug the holes in the adapter put a spare filter in bag with wrench and take a ride to see. I checked the parts book and we have the same swing arm.
Hope I have helped you
VJ: thank you very much -- yep, your thoughts have helped, and thanks for the measurement of the Wix.

I realize that we don't ride the Cross bikes on too many motocross tracks and that sort of thing, but you never know when some biggish dip in the road will cause the back end to get very light, especially taken at high speed.

Yep, all bets are off if you disconnect the shock.

I'm thinking that the next time I have the bike in a shop -- say, for a new rear tire, or something -- I'll ask to have the rear platform support dropped out of the way, and see what the swingarm does in that area.

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Bill when your out ridding and hit a bump or rail road tracks keep a ear out for the rear tire coming off the ground.
Unless you road fast off a curb I can't see any way the wheel would ever come off the ground so the swing arm would never go down. Guess it would if you had a flat tire.

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Cresting a frost heave or similar feature in the road at speed could easily result in the suspension extending. There's a road that I've been playing with since the day I got my license that has a great set of "rollercoaster" hills. On the vic the suspension is definitely stretching out as I crest them. On my other bikes.... well lets just say I've used ALL the suspension travel on more than one occaision.

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Cresting a frost heave or similar feature in the road at speed could easily result in the suspension extending. There's a road that I've been playing with since the day I got my license that has a great set of "rollercoaster" hills. On the vic the suspension is definitely stretching out as I crest them. On my other bikes.... well lets just say I've used ALL the suspension travel on more than one occaision.
Yeah, I was thinking something along those same lines. Soofle, you happen to have a stock Vic filter you could get a measurement on (see first post)?

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As a general rule of thumb, oil filters come in two sizes. 2.5 in and 3.25 in. Of course this will vary to a degree, but it sounds like your K&N is of the longer variety. As for the "stock" size, I believe it to be the shorter version.
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As a general rule of thumb, oil filters come in two sizes. 2.5 in and 3.25 in. Of course this will vary to a degree, but it sounds like your K&N is of the longer variety. As for the "stock" size, I believe it to be the shorter version.
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Thanks, LostinTX. Looks like a road trip is in order for me, to the nearest Vic dealer, so I can go verify your conclusion (and then buy the filter).

K&N says "Height: 3.313 in (84 mm)" for their KN-198 ( http://www.knfilters.com/search/prod...px?prod=KN-198 ), which is the proper filter for the Cross bikes (according to their fitment page, www.knfilters.com/search/appsearch.aspx ). Maybe their measuring technique doesn't include the gasket or the reinforcement under the nut or something, because you can see how I took my measurement in that first pic.

If the Vic filter is really about an inch shorter than the K&Ns that I've been using for the last few oil changes, then I'm back in business, putting that 1" extension on.

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