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I sure hope somebody gets in office who will give this oppressed bunch some tax breaks. Our deficits are too small now.

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I sure hope somebody gets in office who will give this oppressed bunch some tax breaks. Our deficits are too small now.

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The guy in there now gave how many million or billions to GM and the pathetic labor unions? We definitely need a change


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The guy in there now gave how many million or billions to GM
He gave GM nothing. He loaned them money during a credit crisis. If he had not, then not only would GM and Chrysler have failed, but all their suppliers would fail. That would also take down Ford which is why its CEO also encouraged Congress to loan its competitors the money.

Ford had secured its financing prior to the bottom falling out of the banking industry. Nothing magical about it or their CEO, just luck.

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What does this mean? Are you just parroting something you heard?

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If you prefer to live as a slave, then I'd say you're correct.

Perhaps you should learn a little about economics and history and tune out the am talking heads from time to time.




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While the current group can't be free of blame as they were in charge when it happened, the process was started well before the current batch. Lesson? They're all nitwits. President Obama swore in around mid January and this bailout occurred just a week or so later, starting months before.

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Perhaps you should learn a little about economics and history and tune out the am talking heads from time to time.
You can't completely discredit Ford's CEO as he did have a large role in their not needing the bailouts. Ford failed fiscally years before and realized they needed to change their business in a drastic way out of necessity. He was a major catalyst in that.

As for economics, I find that comment ironic given the title used for this thread. The article didn't really have a whole lot to do with job exports, but a glut of manufacturing jobs is a sign of a weak economy. There will always be some, but the stronger an economy, the more it moves to being service based versus goods (manufacturing) based.

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All hail the GOVERNMENT... Without THEM a huge company(s) would have reorganized or have been sold and a different company would have emerged, one that might make cars people want... TERRIBLE, oh the horror... All hail GOVERNMENT.

Now back to your regular programing... The Story of the Lemmings, or How to lose America in four short years.

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Now back to your regular programing... The Story of the Lemmings, or How to lose America in four short years.
Four? Try about 60.

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The labor unions are costing America jobs. When a person operating at a location is not allowed to plug in his machine and has to wait for the electrician to put a plug in an outlet I lose respect for that system. When collective bargaining saves the jobs of teachers who are failing to meet even the minimum requirements or have disciplinary action and should not be around kids, yet the city is forced to pay them for 2 years because the union says they can't be fired I have issues. Unions had a time and a place, that time has passed. I was forced to join a union against my will to work at a grocery store, they took union dues I couldn't afford to pay all so I had the privilege of working a job they didn't help me get.

So what GM failed and Chrysler as well. They would have done exactly what happened, filed for bankruptcy protection, reorganized and well ended up where we are now, but without tax payer dollars. The airlines do the same thing every few years because new regulations and rising fuel costs kill them. I have worked for automotive suppliers when things go bad, we just sold to someone else. Found new work and moved on, took a bit and yes some lost jobs only to get them back. Just because something fails doesn't mean it's totally bad. Sometimes things fail to make way for new and better things.
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You can't completely discredit Ford's CEO as he did have a large role in their not needing the bailouts.
Yes, he secured their line of credit before the bottom fell out. I don't think that was due to any genius, just a matter of fortuitous timing.

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Ford failed fiscally years before and realized they needed to change their business in a drastic way out of necessity. He was a major catalyst in that.
Hey, I like the Focus and the Mustang too.

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As for economics, I find that comment ironic given the title used for this thread. The article didn't really have a whole lot to do with job exports
No, it was about a class of executives who were making a fortune from any easy (if slightly treasonous) business model.

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, but a glut of manufacturing jobs is a sign of a weak economy. There will always be some, but the stronger an economy, the more it moves to being service based versus goods (manufacturing) based.
That is a major fallacy, brought to you by those who want to plunder your wallet.

Economics is nothing more than the study of trade. Pretty simple really, you make me a bear skin rug and I provide you a sack of green beans.

Ahh, but because this is not a particularly efficient means of trade, govt's came up with the idea of using currency as a common vehicle to trade goods and services.

Now let's think about how wealth is created. Say I dig up a chunk of earth. It has some value. Next, lets say the person who buys it, processes it by extracting the minerals. The contents of that piece of earth now has some value greater than the previous value. Next let's say the minerals are sold to Ford who makes a camshaft out of them. That camshaft now has a value greater than the minerals.

This is how wealth is created. Not only has value been brought to the economy though the creation of this tangible good, but it is lasting as that camshaft may be a useful and trade-able good for years to come.

You can play out this scenario with any goods producing job you like. Now let's think about services.

Suppose I cut your hair. There is no value created. I give you money and in return, I don't have to push the hair out from my eyes. This is not a wealth creating endeavor. It is a luxury and there is nothing wrong with it, but it does not create a country's wealth.

Existing prosperously as a service economy may be possible *if* you can find a wealth creating nation to buy your services.

For instance, if the people of Germany (a very industrious, wealth creating nation) used Greece as its exclusive vacation destination. A portion of the wealth created by Germany could be transferred to Greece for use of their beaches and Waverunners.

In the US, we have few such services. We largely service ourselves with retail stores, police, military etc. No wealth creating country is going to pay us for any of that.

Hence, we run big deficits to keep the charade running and depend on foreign nations to invest their currency with us, because we are safe i.e. we have big guns.

I hope this helps you understand why I say that your service economy statement is bogus.




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While the current group can't be free of blame as they were in charge when it happened, the process was started well before the current batch. Lesson? They're all nitwits. President Obama swore in around mid January and this bailout occurred just a week or so later, starting months before.
You are correct. Bush started it and it was one of the few things he did right and he deserves credit for it. Thanks to him, one of our few wealth creating industries is still alive and well today.




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